Robert Hunt, a leader who believes in the power of accountability and vulnerability to drive true leadership. Hunt, known as “the accountability guy,” emphasizes that leadership isn’t about self-glory but about equipping others to succeed. He draws on personal experiences, discussing how embracing accountability changed his life, business, and relationships. Hunt stresses the importance of vulnerability in leadership, encouraging leaders to admit their challenges and seek support from peers. He believes that leadership requires creating space for clear thinking and owning one’s actions to drive change. His approach offers a transformative view of leadership, where embracing accountability leads to success and fulfillment.

Want to learn more about Robert Hunt's work? Check out his website at nobodycaresbook.com.

Connect with Robert Hunt on LinkedIn at Robert Hunt LinkedIn.

Key Points with Timestamps:

• [00:51] Introduction of Robert Hunt and the concept of leadership as equipping others.
• [02:08] Hunt’s definition of accountability: responsibility with the right attitude and results.
• [04:28] Personal journey: Hunt’s transformation through financial accountability and lifestyle changes.
• [07:11] Leadership and vulnerability: the power of admitting challenges.
• [12:08] Creating margin: the importance of space and time in leadership for better decision-making.
• [16:02] Overcoming fear through accountability and neutralizing its power.
• [21:17] The philosophy behind Hunt’s book: "Nobody Cares Until You Care First."
• [25:09] The importance of action and embracing discomfort in leadership transformation.

Transcript

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Craig Andrews
Today I want to welcome Robert Hunt. He's the accountability guy, and his company is rough. Dallas and his book is nobody cares until you care first. You know, Robert said something to me a couple minutes ago, and he said, I'm really the guy in the background that helps other people change the world. And I love that statement because it speaks so much to his heart, but it also speaks so much to leadership.

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Craig Andrews
If you're a leader, ultimately you're not changing the world because of what you do, but you're changing the world because of what you're equipping other people to do. And I think Robert embodies that. And so listen in. I think there's going to be some amazing lessons.

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Craig Andrews
If you hate accountability,

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Craig Andrews
you should bite your lip and listen,

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Craig Andrews
this is going to be important for you.

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Craig Andrews
If you love accountability,

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Craig Andrews
you'll probably shout out Hallelujah at some point. But anyway, let's get started. Robert, welcome.

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Robert Hunt
Thank you, thank you. Of course, nobody says they hate accountability. They just act like that. And we actually get a lot of praises for talking about how accountable you are. But it actually we're just being responsible. There's a big difference between responsible and accountable. Just showing up people.

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Robert Hunt
I'm accountable. I went to work today. That doesn't mean anything.

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Robert Hunt
That just means you showed up. That's responsible. Accountable means you went to work today and you got the right things done, and you did the right way with the right attitude. That's accountability. Because accountability in the simplest turn is you own it. It shouldn't be a punitive statement. It shouldn't be like, I don't like when people hold me accountable.

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Robert Hunt
It should be something that you look at is the power and the strength of your success is true accountability that,

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Robert Hunt
like we need to change the narrative of how people look at the word accountability.

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Craig Andrews
Yeah. Well, and I look at it in my own life, the, you know, three years ago I was in a coma and my body was atrophying. When I woke up, I was in a wheelchair and couldn't walk. And while I was still in a wheelchair, I started going to this thing called Camp Gladiator. And I will be there this evening.

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Craig Andrews
And one of the reasons I will be there is I know people are expecting me to be. Yeah.

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Robert Hunt
Yeah.

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Craig Andrews
And the other reason I go there is when I show up and I perform, they cheer for me.

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Robert Hunt
See that that that's encouragement. That's, peer pressure. These are all aspects of accountability. But if you didn't want to do it, you could just tell everybody you work at every day. Nobody would ever know if you don't go.

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Craig Andrews
Yeah, well, and I think that's the thing that I loved. You know, as we were talking in the green room, the thing that I really loved about what you were saying is accountability isn't bad. You shouldn't fear it. You should embrace it. So let's start with let's start with why.

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Craig Andrews
Actually, let's back up. You said something in the green room.

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Craig Andrews
You said that you, your life changed and your wife,

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Craig Andrews
your wife's life changed. I'm trying not to make that plural.

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Craig Andrews
By,

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Craig Andrews
by accountability. I actually have no idea what you were talking about, but I'm interested.

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Robert Hunt
Yeah.

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Robert Hunt
So we in 2019, we were like most business people who run a business for years and years, and it had kind of grown a little bit. It was changing here and there. One of the consistent trends, even though the business went up and down every year, was we we spent more money than we earned. And now that's the American way.

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Robert Hunt
And we got to a place where we owed $90,000 in debt, not counting the house or the cars. And I remember in 2019 we had our annual planning session. My wife was my business partner, and I said, look, what's this year going to be like different? What are we going to do differently? And, and we laid out all the things that we really wanted in our life.

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Robert Hunt
And what was really at the top of the list was, we want to live a life that pleased the Lord, and all we did was fight and argue about stuff we were angry at God for, you know, not getting us out of debt by letting our business skyrocket through the roof so we could take all this money and pay off our debt.

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Robert Hunt
We looked at him like it was his problem to fix even that. We created it. And so we agreed that if by the end of 2019, we just had magically fix this problem, we were going to sell the house and start over. That was a really scary thought. We had a beautiful home with a movie theater upstairs and gigantic with all the great things you want in a cool house, but we couldn't afford it, and we live like we could, but we couldn't.

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Robert Hunt
So that year, surprise! Nothing got better and

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Robert Hunt
we just decided by end of September the longer story than that. But you can read that in the book. So basically we needed to sell the house and we needed to own it. We came to the realization that nobody cared if we were fighting all the time or miserable about our lives, or heavily in debt, or struggling to be able to be consistently as a couple unless we cared enough to do something about it.

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Robert Hunt
And we finally got to that place where the pain was so much that we were willing to make the change. So we put the house on the market, sold. It took a while, and we actually hired a financial consultant who'd come in and look at our spending habits and go, oh, is that how you want to spend your money?

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Robert Hunt
Yeah, it was very embarrassing, very humbling. But we needed that accountability where we would show someone and go, well, I don't know where my money goes. We go, I'll tell you where it goes. It was everywhere. So we sold the house in March of 2020 when Covid shut down the world.

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Robert Hunt
My son and I moved our home by ourselves because there wasn't much to move.

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Robert Hunt
Beds, dressers and some folding chairs and nothing else would fit in this house that we started to rent back in March of 2020, paid everything off in April and started over. And the the peace and clarity that I got, that we got as a couple when we owned our junk and we made the right decisions was amazing. And because of that peace and that clarity, I could see everything else in my life better.

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Robert Hunt
I looked at my health, I looked at our marriage, everything, and said, If I'm not happy, am I willing to change?

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Craig Andrews
Yeah, well, and something you said in that I don't want to let this go by. You said that you brought in,

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Craig Andrews
financial counselor to kind of look. Yeah.

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Robert Hunt
Yeah.

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Craig Andrews
And one of the things that I see in, you know, and working with clients is they're afraid of, of feedback that, you know, they viewed as critique. And maybe you could argue very well it is critique. But the thing that I try to encourage people is Michael Jordan wasn't brilliant on his own. He didn't have one coach. He had multiple coaches.

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Craig Andrews
He had a team of coaches. One of the best athletes of our lifetime. Yeah, knew he needed outside voices looking, looking at his shots, looking at his form and providing that coaching so it could be better.

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Robert Hunt
Right? Right. And if you're too arrogant that you can't let other people speak truth into your life, you've got a problem. One of the requirements to have a true accountability is your life in your life is vulnerability. So I run a peer group for CEOs here in DFW. They've been doing it for 11 years, and I've watched the magic of business owners who are very successful, very smart, very competent, come into a room and say, I'm freaking out today.

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Robert Hunt
Today I've got this problem. I don't know what to do about this. And they're being honest and they're being vulnerable. And because they share what's going on, the other people in the room are going, yeah, I've done that before. Here's something. Make sure you watch out for this and don't forget to do this. And we don't tell anyone what to do, but we share our stories.

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Robert Hunt
And by you being real and saying, this is a challenge for me, this is a problem. You invite the kind of input that keeps you from making really bad decisions. Nobody can make a perfect decision all the time. CEOs have so much stuff. They have to know everything about cybersecurity and finances and HR and and the world's constantly changing.

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Robert Hunt
How could you know everything? But if you're willing to be vulnerable, you have the opportunity for real accountability.

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Craig Andrews
I think something else happens when you do that. It's, you know, and unfortunately, most of many of our decisions are driven by fear. And when you come out and you name something, you say, hey, here's what I'm struggling with. I feel like you neutralize the power of that fear.

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Robert Hunt
You do absolutely. You have to get it out of your brain. It floats around our brain and we feel anxious and we're not really sure why. And there's so many of those things that are floating around our brain. That's why I'm encouraged people to write things down. Because when you write down, you take it out of your brain.

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Robert Hunt
You put it on Facebook. Maybe you go, well, I don't feel that way. That's not that big a deal. We always say that the difference between stress and pressure is knowledge. When I feel stressed, if I add knowledge to it, I get the pressure to go get it done. Otherwise I'm just in this panic mode with all these thoughts feeling around.

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Robert Hunt
So I need to write it down, look at it go okay, I need to improve my cash flow right now. What do I do? And you take the knowledge of all the years you've done and all the employees who work for you and all the people you're working with to give you guidance and you make a healthy decision, but you invite that input to get all the best pieces of that.

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Robert Hunt
And then that moves you to the pressure of getting it done.

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Craig Andrews
Yeah, yeah. And, you know, kind of bringing it back to the whether it's Camp Gladiator for me working out or

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Craig Andrews
whether it's a group of,

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Craig Andrews
peer advisors, I'm in, you know, a mastermind group. One of the guys from mastermind Group reached out to me this morning and sent out in a group video chat. Hey, Craig, what's going on in this area of your life?

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Craig Andrews
What are you doing in this area of your life? And it's knowing that it's coming from a position of, they really want my best outcome. Yeah, right. They really want that best outcome. That's a safe place.

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Robert Hunt
Yeah it will. The whole point is to surround yourself with people you can trust. And then when they say things to you, it's spoken out of love. And we've spent enough years with each other really listening to the challenges of business owners. Some of it's about our personal lives. And I probably in the majority of it's around our personal lives, our own head trash or our own journey or our issues at home, because it totally affects our ability to show up at work and make good decisions.

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Robert Hunt
So I've also talked in this idea about creating margin in their lives, where there's room to think clearly because you get an overload, you make bad decisions, and we like to live on overload. We do it most of the time with our calendar. Often we do it with our health, usually we do with our money and then all that just to suck.

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Robert Hunt
Our emotions drained, dry. And then we're not able to make good decisions. So we need to create room in our lives for things that go wrong, because we usually do.

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Craig Andrews
Let's let's dwell on that for a minute, because I'll be honest, that's an area that I've been, you know, I've been looking at my schedule, I've been looking at that. And I, I don't feel like I'm devoting enough time where I'm either out for a walk in the preserve, you know, thinking about problems, or Im pulling away to a different place and, and working through things.

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Craig Andrews
What does the margin look like for a business owner? And this is a problem I literally,

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Craig Andrews
you know, half hour before we jumped on zoom, I was getting off call with someone else. Now I just asked him point blank, I said, you seem enormously busy. You seem really hard to, you know, it's hard to book time on your calendar.

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Craig Andrews
Yeah.

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Craig Andrews
And what's going on? And he said, well, I'm a business owner and I'm passionate about what I'm doing. And so of course I'm busy. How would you counsel him?

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Robert Hunt
You it really it has to be held in light of what you want. You know, one of the reasons in the in the book we did a satisfaction assessment. There's you two little wheels with pie charts in them. And you score your satisfaction. Because if you want a life that's super maxed out, busy at work, you can create that.

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Robert Hunt
It's your life. But I would argue that a lot of times we end up trying to optimize the crappy life we have instead of creating the really great one we want. And so if you say, well, I'm super, super busy, well, that's your choice. So there's four buckets and margin, time, money, health and emotion. And so if you if you own your calendar, what you do and there's only 24 hours of the day if you book meeting, meeting, meeting, meeting, lunch meeting.

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Robert Hunt
Meanie, meanie, that's your choice. And then there's no mental capacity between meetings to digest what you just went through, to answer the phone, to go to the bathroom, to get ready for the next meeting. So you show up at the next meeting distracted, not paying attention. Therefore, that meeting was a very productive. And then you go to the next meeting.

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Robert Hunt
You're already behind. So you on your calendar don't live life like that and put into the bucket first the kinds of things you want during that day so you're productive, not busy. And the same thing goes with your money and your finance, your

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Robert Hunt
health. Did you get a good night's sleep? Would you stay up, watch Netflix for two hours longer than you should have?

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Robert Hunt
Are you eating healthier? You going for a walk? I mean, you make all these decisions. All you. This is accountability. You own it. So if you're not happy with your health, do something about it. If you're not happy with the money, do something about it. Spend less. That's something we've learned in the last few years. We can get by on a lot less because we choose a life that we want, and that's easier.

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Robert Hunt
Chased with less pressure. If I don't spend as much money that I can give graciously, and I can enjoy what I want to have.

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Craig Andrews
You know, Steven Covey's but the seven Habits, I heard somebody quote that just in the last week, and one of those seven habits, I mean, and I'm thinking about it for me to graduate college, one of the requirements was I read that specific book. I had a professor that said, I will thank you. This course, it's mandatory for for graduation.

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Craig Andrews
I will flunk you if you don't read this book.

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Robert Hunt
That's awesome.

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Craig Andrews
Yeah, but he talks about taking time to sharpen the saw.

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Robert Hunt
Yeah.

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Craig Andrews
And that's kind of what I hear you talking about. And that it's amazing that book that was written 30, 40 years ago, whenever it was right.

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Robert Hunt
Nothing changes. It's always the same thing in the reality is if you don't have any mental capacity, it takes you an hour to do something that should take you five minutes. And the reason we're not creative anymore is because we're exhausted. Yeah, your creativity comes when there's room to think. When I got out of debt, when Kathy and I paid off all that money and we were sitting here in this home with no debt, the the clarity of mind that I had was amazing.

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Robert Hunt
And the creativity and the confidence. I would never dream of saying some things to customers that I would say to them after I was out of debt, because what if I made them angry and they left when? What if I pushed them and challenged them a little bit too much and they quit the group? I had no fear because I had no debt.

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Robert Hunt
So your confidence is better. Your clarity, your creativity. It's all better when you create room for a healthy mind. That's where creativity comes from. When there's room to think, we don't need more time, we just need more room. And that comes from a scheduling things. Wiser.

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Craig Andrews
Yeah. Well, and and the subject of fear came back up. Right. So you were talking about how your internal fear was driving your behavior with clients.

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Robert Hunt
Yeah.

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Craig Andrews
And that's what fear does. And I think back in the context of accountability, when you name that fear to a person or a group of people that you trust that you know will hold you accountable, accountable, you neutralize that fear.

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Robert Hunt
You take away the power of that fear when you declare. That's right. We say in our book, nobody can hold anyone accountable. So we use that phrase a lot of time, but actually we're dumping the power or the responsibility on them to hold me accountable. But in reality, if they ask you, did you go to your workout today?

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Robert Hunt
You could lie. Did you go to bed at a decent hour? You could lie. So there's no one can ever hold anyone accountable. But if I if I want to be accountable and they will play with me, then I can say, hey, I went to bed at 9:00. Good job. Where do you come in? And I get affirmation, encouragement.

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Robert Hunt
But I have to be honest enough. Leaders who want to be their best have got to surround themselves with people who will support their effort to be their best. You get to decide what that looks like. It's your journey. But if you're not surrounding yourself with other people, you're leaving yourself vulnerable to self-deception. When I didn't have other people asking me questions about my money, my time, my relationship, my faith, my health, it really got worse.

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Robert Hunt
But when people ask you and you want to be accountable and you're honest with them, then you can do something about it. So that's the importance of that vulnerability.

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Craig Andrews
You know, I have,

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Craig Andrews
I have a friend named Dan who I if for no other reason, I would like to have Dan in my life just to ask me questions. He asks the best questions.

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Robert Hunt
That's a great friend.

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Craig Andrews
And I find that his questions. He's not telling me what to do. He's helping me see what's miss, what's right in front of my eyes. I'm missing.

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Robert Hunt
Yeah, and that's important.

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Robert Hunt
Point. Don't tell someone what to do. Ask them what they want to do. I'm an executive coach. I never tell people what to do, but I ask them, well, what do you want to do? Well, how would that work? Okay, what would hold you back? Why are you doing that now? Have you ever done that before?

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Robert Hunt
And all I do is ask questions. Because with these self-directed for the answer, they're more likely to do it than anything you tell them to do. And so there's power in them. Self-Discovery. So I've moved away from the ego that says, I need to look important and just to say, did, what do you want? It doesn't sound like you're chasing what you want.

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Robert Hunt
Tell me what you want. Okay, let's let's work on that today. I'm very comfortable being in that role because I don't need to show how smart I am. I need to show how much I care. I love my clients, and by asking those questions and letting them self discover they get to be the best version of themselves.

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Craig Andrews
Yeah. Let me let me give us an example of self-discovery,

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Craig Andrews
that I've seen in my own journey. You know, so

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Craig Andrews
obviously sales and marketing, they fight like cats and dogs and,

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Craig Andrews
I'm a marketing guy, and so I've contributed to that dysfunction. And,

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Craig Andrews
and I remember having sales guys,

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Craig Andrews
saying, hey, we're hearing this from the customer.

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Craig Andrews
We're hearing this from the customer. They would provide that feedback to me back in the product line. And, and I think many times I've just kind of disregarded it. And they'd eventually invite me to go out on the road with them. And I'm sitting in front of the customer, I hear something, and I go back to the factory and say, I have met with the customer.

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Craig Andrews
It's like I went up on the mountain. I've got the tablets from God himself. Here's what we need to do.

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Robert Hunt
Yeah.

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Craig Andrews
The smartest, most effective salespeople bite their tongue and say, wow, that's really good. I'm glad you came, Craig. The stupid one say, I've been telling you this for six months.

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Robert Hunt
Now, ego is a big trap. There's a great book by, it's a really sharp lady called ego Versus IQ and the emotional intelligence required to fight ego. But there's ego traps out there, and all my CEO clients have great egos, big egos, but they avoid the traps. We've worked on being aware of the traps. Something like only surround yourself with people who say and think whatever you think you know.

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Robert Hunt
Those are traps that you delude yourself so you can have a big ego. You just have to be willing to not get in a trap with it. But it is. It is a danger point that we just want to be seen as the smartest person in the room. And really what I want to do is I want to get things done, I want results, and if someone else can be the hero, I'm good with that.

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Craig Andrews
Yeah, well, and that's back to leadership. Your job is as the leader is to make someone else the hero.

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Robert Hunt
Yeah. And especially working with business owners, they don't want me telling them what to do. And they know what to do. They're successful business owners. They're not looking for me for answers. How much cash flow should I have with what can inventory turns? Yeah, I'm looking for. That's a consultant. I just want to come alongside them and say, are you living the life you want?

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Robert Hunt
Are you enjoying your job? Sometimes as a business owner becomes the lowest paid slave who works the most hours, makes the least amount of money per hour, has the most headaches? Hey, it's your company. Why aren't you having fun? You're supposed to have fun. I didn't have fun as I ran this business the first six years, and I finally had to get to a place where I owned it.

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Robert Hunt
And it's hard. It's hard of being a business owner, but I'm having fun. I'm working hard. But I love it because I'm doing what I want, the way that I want to.

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Craig Andrews
Yeah, yeah. And so help us understand the title of your book, Nobody Cares Until You care First. What's what's the genesis of that? What does that mean?

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Robert Hunt
It's really that moment in your life when you look around, you go, I don't like I don't like this. I don't like that. I'm like, whatever it is. That's why we have to take the assessment first. And when you declare honestly to yourself where you're not satisfied, then the question is, what are you going to do about it?

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Robert Hunt
And we always blame or make excuses or say we can't, or just wait and hope it gets better. But at some point the pain of where you are is so much worse than the pain of where it will take to go that you're like, okay, fine, I'm going to do something about it. And when you say to yourself, nobody cares until I do, that's the turning point.

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Robert Hunt
That's when you stop blaming or make excuses or saying you can't. We did that in our own lives. Nobody cared that our marriage was suffering. Nobody cared that we were angry at the world until we cared enough to do something. And then people came alongside of us and support us in our journey. And we told our goals and what we're trying to achieve.

00;21;17;02 - 00;21;38;28
Robert Hunt
They encourage us and ask questions and cheer us on. And it was cool. And that included selling our house, going to marriage counseling, eating healthy, stop drinking all the booze every night. It was like every night. Covid, booze and chips, TV, booze, chips, TV. It was Covid and I needed to break out of that habit. And so having people who encouraged me, hey, you look good and let's go on a walk together.

00;21;39;00 - 00;21;52;01
Robert Hunt
People will join you in a journey of good things if you invite them in. But if you want to play a victim role and hold on to your junk, nobody's going to jump in and do it for you. Nobody cares until you do.

00;21;52;03 - 00;22;05;15
Craig Andrews
Yeah. And and there's something, there's a step that you have to take. You have to put action. And at some point it's going to be painful.

00;22;05;17 - 00;22;21;15
Robert Hunt
Yeah. We talked about that in the second half of the book. Once you've gone through all those excuses and you realize nobody cares, then you acknowledge the reality. We see. It's like standing in front of a mirror naked three 360 degree mirror where you can't hide anything with black shirts, all these things that make me look thinner, you know?

00;22;21;17 - 00;22;41;01
Robert Hunt
And then you realize, hey, this is going to suck to make this change, we have a chapter called Embrace the Suck. And that's hard. But the reality is it's going to suck to be a victim or it's going to be sucked to be victorious. But at the end of the victorious suck, I'm a winner. When I stay a victim in the suck, I lose continually.

00;22;41;03 - 00;22;54;27
Robert Hunt
And so it's hard either way. But I'm. I would like the challenge to improve my life. And then you find a solution. You make it happen. And it's exactly like that every time, in every category I've looked at in my life since I've learned this philosophy.

00;22;55;00 - 00;23;01;06
Craig Andrews
Well and and I think I experienced that in one small way on Sunday. I mean, so,

00;23;01;06 - 00;23;16;21
Craig Andrews
Sunday afternoons, I often take a nap. This particular Sunday I woke up and I just I felt like a wet noodle. I could barely move, I was exhausted, I wanted to kind of go back to sleep, and I was like, no.

00;23;16;24 - 00;23;59;23
Craig Andrews
And I got up and did an hour and a half hike in the preserve, and I came back feeling far better than before, than I did before I left. I didn't feel like, I mean, I'd just exhausted my body, but I felt more energized. Yeah. And I think whether it's the physical limitations or let's say we're facing some barrier at work, something, something that we have to work through or something in the marriage, instead of running away from that fear and embracing it and and moving towards it and working through it, I believe it leaves you more energized on the other side and actually more excited about the next challenge that comes your way.

00;23;59;26 - 00;24;18;00
Robert Hunt
It does. And you can stay at home in bed and feel miserable, and you'll stay miserable all day. Or you can push yourself to do something to change. Get out, get some endorphins going, get some vitamin D, get the energy in breathing some air, and then you come back and you're better. So either you were drained all day, miserable, or you were drained for a half an hour when you went for a hike.

00;24;18;03 - 00;24;40;06
Robert Hunt
But this pushed you through to a better place. We know what to do. We're adults. We're smart. We are. We know exactly what we need to do, and we refuse to do it because we're not accountable and we are. We are used to playing the role of a victim. But if you had to tell everyone honestly the choices you made and let them know the reasoning behind it, what you're doing, they'd be like, you're doing what?

00;24;40;09 - 00;24;44;11
Robert Hunt
But we don't tell that. We just kind of spin and go, that's not my comfort zone. And,

00;24;44;11 - 00;24;57;26
Robert Hunt
you know, I'm thinking about it while work's been really busy and all these lame excuses that hold us back as victims, if you want the life you want, you're going to have to own it and do something about it.

00;24;57;28 - 00;25;10;01
Craig Andrews
I think it would be impossible to end with a more powerful note than what you just said. That is so essential. It's own it and do something about it.

00;25;10;04 - 00;25;28;10
Robert Hunt
It is that easy. It doesn't mean the journey is easy. It means the decision is easy. When you finally get sick of where you're at and what you're not digging and all the things you're frustrated with when you're sick of it, you make the change. The journey has begun and it's an exciting journey. Well.

00;25;28;13 - 00;25;30;18
Craig Andrews
Robert, what you're saying is just amazing.

00;25;30;18 - 00;25;34;24
Craig Andrews
And people are going to when reach out to you, how do they reach you?

00;25;34;26 - 00;25;53;11
Robert Hunt
Yeah. The easiest way is to go to our website, nobody cares book A.com. And there's a contact form and you can reach me and I answer every single email that I get. All two of them. So if I get, you know, a thousand emails, I promise you I'll answer a thousand emails. You can also go to Nobody Cares pod.com.

00;25;53;11 - 00;26;10;16
Robert Hunt
That's for like the podcast for your show. And if you put in the code word leaders in the contact form, I'll mail them a signed, autographed copy of my book, at my own cost, because I want if they really want to read it, if they're going to read it and engage and take the survey and all that stuff, I would love to give them a copy.

00;26;10;19 - 00;26;19;09
Robert Hunt
I'm everywhere on the internet. You can find me on LinkedIn and other places, but I really want to change people's lives and I'm ready to connect.

00;26;19;11 - 00;26;21;07
Craig Andrews
Robert, that's very generous.

00;26;21;07 - 00;26;25;15
Craig Andrews
And I hope people take you up on that. Thank you for sharing them. Leaders and legacies.

00;26;25;17 - 00;26;30;22
Robert Hunt
Thanks for letting me be on your show.