Rusty Fulling, founder of Fulling Management and Accounting, delves into the essential elements of leadership in a remote-first world. Rusty shares his journey of building a resilient team that continued thriving even when he was unexpectedly out of commission. He highlights the importance of trust, purpose, and consistent communication in fostering a cohesive team culture, despite physical distance. By implementing regular check-ins, engaging team-building activities, and creating a culture of care, Rusty illustrates how leaders can cultivate strong bonds within their remote teams. He also touches on his personal experiences, like a transformative mission trip with his daughter, which reinforced his belief that true leadership extends beyond business objectives. This episode is packed with actionable insights for leaders looking to foster unity, purpose, and resilience in their teams.

Want to learn more about Rusty Fulling's work? Check out his website at https://www.fullingmgmt.com.

Connect with Rusty Fulling on LinkedIn at https://linkedin.com/in/rustyfulling.

Key Points with Time Stamps:

• 01:50 - Rusty discusses the shift to a fully remote company during COVID and its impact on team culture.
• 04:16 - The importance of checking in on emotional health and maintaining team bonds.
• 05:09 - Rusty's three pillars for remote leadership success: weekly meetings, team activities, and annual gatherings.
• 10:17 - How aligning personal and business purposes drives team motivation and cohesion.
• 13:09 - Rusty recounts a mission trip with his daughter and its lessons on resilience and adaptability.
• 17:59 - The role of storytelling in making financial insights accessible to business owners.
• 20:07 - Rusty explains how understanding cost structure can prevent business losses.
• 22:48 - Safeguarding finances: the importance of checks and balances to prevent fraud.

Transcript

00;00;00;00 - 00;00;30;20
Craig Andrews
I was in a coma for six weeks while the doctors told my wife I was going to die. When I woke up, she told me the most fantastic story. My team kept running the business without me. Freelancers reached out to my team and said, we will do whatever it takes. As long as Craig's in the hospital. I consider that the greatest accomplishment of my career.

00;00;30;23 - 00;00;51;10
Craig Andrews
My name is Craig Andrews and this is the Leaders and Legacies podcast where we talk to leaders creating an impact beyond themselves. At the end of today's interview, I'll tell you how you can be the next leader featured on the show.

00;00;51;10 - 00;01;18;22
Craig Andrews
Today I want to welcome Rusty Fulling. He is the founder and CEO of Fulling Management and Accounting. Since April of 2000. While that's a long time, Rusty has been focused on helping business leaders make sense. Their numbers grow, their profits, and gain peace of mind. And, you know, there's I'm sure there's somebody listening right now. They're like, I don't want to listen to a podcast.

00;01;18;22 - 00;01;48;28
Craig Andrews
One and counting. We have stories, salacious stories of automatic weapons in in dangerous places. And, hopefully we will be talking about how one company was growing itself into poverty and how to recognize that. So I think there's a lesson here for everybody. I hope you hang in there and get ready to be challenged a little bit.

00;01;49;00 - 00;01;50;02
Craig Andrews
Rusty, welcome.

00;01;50;10 - 00;01;59;23
Rusty Fulling
Hey, Greg. Thanks, man. I'm excited to be on here. Loved, loved your podcast. And the different guest you've had. So, hopefully we can keep the ball rolling here, so.

00;01;59;26 - 00;02;05;12
Craig Andrews
Absolutely. And, and now you're in Kansas and what's what's the name of the town in Kansas?

00;02;05;19 - 00;02;18;05
Rusty Fulling
Olathe, Kansas. We're just outside of Kansas City. And, yeah, we're actually a virtual company. We went all virtual about four years ago during the Covid season. And just never invited anybody back to the office.

00;02;18;07 - 00;02;24;13
Craig Andrews
Wow. How did that how did that go down?

00;02;24;16 - 00;02;26;27
Rusty Fulling
Yeah, and I cut out a little bit. Craig, sorry about,

00;02;27;03 - 00;02;32;07
Craig Andrews
I'm sorry. How did that, When now happened? How did it work out with your staff?

00;02;32;09 - 00;02;56;09
Rusty Fulling
Yeah, it actually worked out. Well, we had we had already had one team member that was remote, so we had already been doing some remote work for probably 5 or 6 years. And so we just had everyone else, go that direction. And one of the things we did during Covid was just really be intentional about, relationships and health, emotional and mental health during that season.

00;02;56;09 - 00;03;17;01
Rusty Fulling
And so we created, buddy systems. You know, we were checking in with each other and, and having a lot of, calls, like, what we're doing here over, over a zoom, connection. And, and it we really began creating a whole new culture, and, and it's just really been amazing to see we now get together in person once a year.

00;03;17;07 - 00;03;32;23
Rusty Fulling
We in fact, we just flew everybody Kansas City last week for a three day offsite. And it's just like an old high school reunion, everyone getting together because now we have team members in 5 or 6 states where before we were just yeah.

00;03;32;25 - 00;03;52;20
Craig Andrews
You know, and I mean, it's good that you had a start. I mean, Covid was such a reset for people. I remember, I remember in the first month or so of Covid wishing I had bought, you know, 100 webcams because I could have sure, I could have made a fortune on those because you can buy them one on Amazon.

00;03;52;23 - 00;04;16;23
Craig Andrews
Yes, yes. But the, one of the things that you said was checking in on the emotional health of people. Yeah. And I remember doing that as well because, you know, it's very traumatic time. But I'm wondering if that's something that we should continue doing.

00;04;16;25 - 00;04;41;00
Rusty Fulling
Yeah, absolutely. It's amazing. We've never said stop, but but some have just kind of phased out over the over the last few years. However there's some of ours are continuing, you know, every Thursday or Tuesday or to continue to check in with their, their, you know, that they have over the last four years. So we've actually implemented other check ins and other things that we're doing throughout the day and throughout the week.

00;04;41;02 - 00;04;57;01
Rusty Fulling
We often get the comment of, man, I feel closer to our team now than I ever did at companies where we worked in person. And so it's really creating that environment where, yeah, it's truly collaborative versus, we'll see you next week on on the zoom call.

00;04;57;03 - 00;05;09;14
Craig Andrews
So how does somebody achieve that? Because again, there's a lot of people that, you know are still trying to figure that out how to, you know, how to run a remote team effectively. What would you say are the the critical ingredients?

00;05;09;14 - 00;05;33;23
Rusty Fulling
Yeah I'd say I'd say there's three that we've, we've seen, really instrumental in companies. And one is just that weekly make sure you're at least getting together weekly and so we get together in, on zoom once a week, do a all staff meeting, and then we break into small groups where we're just building relationship and learning some leadership, skills.

00;05;33;25 - 00;05;51;17
Rusty Fulling
So that's one in and the other one, the other thing we do is, really look for ways that we can serve together and have fun together. So we'll actually virtual Christmas parties and and I the first time I heard of that, I got, this is the this is the worst thing in the world. Worst idea. And, I'll tell you what.

00;05;51;17 - 00;06;15;29
Rusty Fulling
We've got a creative team that just is second to none and and just a lot of fun together. And then the other part of that is serving together. And so we get to, we'll do like a virtual six K to raise money for World Vision for clean water, or we'll do a generosity challenge rule, do some matching funds to different, different charities so that that's the second piece of that.

00;06;15;29 - 00;06;32;00
Rusty Fulling
And then the third is just making sure, sure, you are getting together at least once a year for kind of that celebration and strategic planning time. And so those three touches, man, we've just seen so much benefit from, from doing that and building that, that team culture.

00;06;32;02 - 00;06;58;14
Craig Andrews
Yeah. You know, it's it's wild. I'm in I'm in Austin. Yeah. And you know the the big building projects take years to get started in. Yeah. Years to complete and probably the prettiest building. Yeah. There's two architecturally unique buildings in Austin. One of them is supposed to be occupied by Google. And after the pandemic and the building was completed during the pandemic.

00;06;58;22 - 00;07;36;26
Craig Andrews
Yeah. And then Google just chose to never occupy that building. And you know I and I just as I drive around I see so much office space that's just sitting empty. Yeah. So I think the, the big companies certainly have had some challenges figuring this out. You know, I think one thing that the certainly the big companies do, they start doing, they start deploying keyboard loggers and other tools to try and figure out how much people were goofing off.

00;07;37;02 - 00;07;42;21
Craig Andrews
Yeah. And, I don't know, that felt a little bit creepy.

00;07;42;23 - 00;08;09;03
Rusty Fulling
Hey, if you know, if you have to do that, I guess it goes back to did you hire the right people? And so, I mean, it starts with building a team that of trust. And, you know, you have to have that, that, that, that as a basic component. Because if you're tracking keystrokes and login times and, bathroom breaks, I mean, my word, you know, I think that that's, it's not bringing everybody back in the office.

00;08;09;03 - 00;08;11;14
Rusty Fulling
It's going to fix the culture in that case.

00;08;11;17 - 00;08;33;24
Craig Andrews
Yeah, that's a good point. One, I think that's you know, you just mentioned culture and that's one of my biggest fears. When people went remote, I started predicting during the pandemic, I said, you know, five years from now there's going to be a big growth in, culture consultants, you know? Oh, yeah, helping companies rebuild culture. Yeah. How do you build culture when you're remote?

00;08;33;27 - 00;08;55;09
Rusty Fulling
Yeah, yeah, we've watched some other, other groups, do some really neat things and try to take some inspiration from those. And the things that we've gleaned and applied again is just that consistency. And so for us, building that culture is having core values that really align with, hey, here's what we want to be all about in it.

00;08;55;09 - 00;09;21;25
Rusty Fulling
Every week we're spending time on some of those core values within our leadership training for our entire team, not just our our top leaders. And so just bringing everybody in as a team and not isolating, oh, you're you're remote. So we're not going to do this for you. And just treat everybody the same that leadership consistent leadership training that's just been so big again aligning with our core values.

00;09;21;27 - 00;09;25;26
Craig Andrews
So why here leadership training. That's kind of a broad topic.

00;09;25;26 - 00;09;27;06
Rusty Fulling
Sure. Yeah. Yeah.

00;09;27;13 - 00;09;34;19
Craig Andrews
What are some specifics. How are you training your leaders? What are specific things that you're doing to build a culture of leaders?

00;09;34;19 - 00;09;56;06
Rusty Fulling
Yes, yes. We just we just, started a new video series this week by Todd Henry, about bravery, you know, thinking bravery. What does that you know, how does that affect an accounting for my word? Well, it's really talking about stepping outside some of your comfort zones, and and it could be. Hey, I want to lead this meeting this time with a client.

00;09;56;06 - 00;10;17;18
Rusty Fulling
Or, you know, it could be some simple things like that. So, so today is, is just leaning into, you know, what are those things that, that, are stopping you from being brave in these areas of growth? We just wrapped up one on purpose. What's your personal purpose statement and what does that look like? How does that align with the company's purpose and vision?

00;10;17;20 - 00;10;41;11
Rusty Fulling
And so it it's so what we practically do is we'll spend about 15 minutes with a leadership video from some different, different leadership groups around the country. We'll show that video to our entire team, and we'll break into small groups and discuss those and, and come back together and share some of our insights from that, that we've been doing that for, my goodness, probably 6 or 7 years at least.

00;10;41;13 - 00;10;48;01
Rusty Fulling
And again, that just gets everybody on the same page from that leadership and culture standpoint.

00;10;48;03 - 00;11;08;00
Craig Andrews
You know, so purpose is one of those topics I'm really interested in. Because there's part of me that when I look at the culture, I see, I see people trying to figure out what their purpose is. They seem a little bit adrift. So I'm really curious when you hear people talk about their personal purpose, what's kind of the range of things that you're hearing?

00;11;08;03 - 00;11;29;00
Rusty Fulling
Yeah, yeah, it could be, the way they, they, lead their family. It could be some aspirational goals that they're trying to trying to achieve. I'll say when, when I personally, I'll just share mine. When I personally went through that, I came up with five statements or five attributes that that this is what I see and purpose.

00;11;29;01 - 00;11;50;14
Rusty Fulling
And it's things like encourage, guide, equip, serve in lesson, in, out of those you could actually put the word other, encourage others, guide others, serve others. And so the idea there is throughout my day, I want to make sure I'm checking the boxes on those. Have I done this today?

00;11;50;17 - 00;12;14;05
Craig Andrews
Yeah. Well and and you know that's amazing clarity. You know, I got an email this morning and not on leadership but more on marketing. I was one of these things they had four short lines. I looked at. And it was amazingly powerful and amazingly clear. And I was like, I think I need to put that on the wall somewhere.

00;12;14;05 - 00;12;26;27
Craig Andrews
Yeah, yeah. But having that, that kind of daily focus, that kind pulls you back. Yeah. To that purpose. I could see how that would rearrange your day.

00;12;26;29 - 00;12;54;16
Rusty Fulling
Yeah. What's neat is when you're when your personal purpose aligns with your business purpose. And so when I look at that, I can, let's say encourage clients, guide clients, equip clients, serve clients, listen to clients. So you can, you know, you can apply some of those personal. And that's where I'd say that's kind of where the magic happens, is when your personal mission is aligned with your business and career mission, it just makes it just makes life much more fulfilling.

00;12;54;18 - 00;13;09;26
Craig Andrews
Yeah. So you were telling me, we're going to switch gears a little bit. You were telling me a story about when your daughter turned 16. What you you said, hey, let's go do something. What will happen?

00;13;09;28 - 00;13;44;21
Rusty Fulling
Sure. Yeah. I thought I'd be a good dad and say, hey, let's do a father daughter trip. You know, when she turned 16, our oldest. And I'm thinking Disney. And she picked Honduras, and I thought, okay, those are different, different spots. So, we we take off for Tegucigalpa, Honduras, us to do a little mission trip, and, and the purpose of the trip was to have her teach, six women how to sew and provide some sewing machines and, and, so we we flew over the mountain and literally, boy, that big airliner just drops out of the sky to land in this little valley.

00;13;44;21 - 00;14;09;07
Rusty Fulling
And, that it's one of the most dangerous airports in the world. And so we learned quickly, there's actually traffic that drives across the, the landing strip. And so, luckily, we we landed safe, but as soon as we got off the plane, we were greeted with, you know, soldiers and semi-automatic weapons and and they were having, kind of a, a military, unrest going on, we'll call it that.

00;14;09;07 - 00;14;38;06
Rusty Fulling
So we were able to, to get to the location where we were doing the training. And I say we she just she did an amazing job. So it was it was neat to watch a 16 year old that did not speak Spanish work with another local 16 year old, translate with to these six ladies and in three days teach these ladies how to how to sew and they went around the room and told their stories afterwards, hey, this is going to get me off the street.

00;14;38;08 - 00;14;55;07
Rusty Fulling
I'll be able to provide for my family. You know, this is going to just make a huge life change for me. This is going to do this. And what I learned from that was, boy, there were so many things, so many obstacles ran into, you know, electricity didn't work. Or the, you know, this product, this, these supplies didn't make it.

00;14;55;10 - 00;15;17;02
Rusty Fulling
And watching my 16 year old just adapt and to these circumstances that were coming up, she had prepared to the nth degree. And so she was able to handle those bumps in the road. And sometimes as business leaders, I think we we get all, you know, messed up sometimes when things don't go perfect. But watching watching a 16 year old to say, hey, no problem.

00;15;17;04 - 00;15;32;16
Rusty Fulling
You know, I can make that pattern out of out of a piece of paper. And we can, we can we can use this to, to make that work. And so sometimes we can make life change when we don't get so structured in what we're doing in, in our day to day operations.

00;15;32;18 - 00;15;54;04
Craig Andrews
Yeah. And, and you know, I think it's in those moments, you know, people have a false belief that a blank canvas is where you find creativity. I believe the opposite. I believe the tighter the constraints. Now is the birthplace of creativity. So when you show up and you have to get something done and there's no electricity, that's when you get creative.

00;15;54;04 - 00;16;12;05
Rusty Fulling
Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. It. Yeah, I think you're right. I mean, the cool thing about watching her, she had vision as far as what she wanted to accomplish. And yes, the path may not have been as direct as she had originally intended, but but she still accomplished that vision.

00;16;12;07 - 00;16;22;26
Craig Andrews
Yeah. That's awesome. That's awesome. Yeah. And, what does she say about that trip today?

00;16;22;28 - 00;16;46;16
Rusty Fulling
Yeah. So. Well, we've we've done 4 or 5 trips since then. That's what she said about it. Hey, let's do this different this time. Let's do this, you know, and and it's been amazing. In fact, she ended up spending a whole month down there on one occasion and just, just coming up with other creative ways to to use local resources, you know, instead of shipping things in, find ways to use local resources.

00;16;46;16 - 00;17;03;19
Rusty Fulling
So, yeah, just just amazing. And the relationships that were developed through that. So yeah, that's really changed. I mean, that was my goodness, 13 years ago. And, and it's really changed her trajectory as far as even what she does as a career today.

00;17;03;21 - 00;17;28;27
Craig Andrews
Yeah. Now, you know, one of the challenges about talking about finances, it's, you know, it's almost like, hosting a podcast, talking about dentistry. You know, it's just not something that people want, but it's necessary. We go to the dentist, or at least me. I used to work for a guy who love getting his teeth cleaned. I'm like, yeah, let me, I got a doctor.

00;17;28;27 - 00;17;54;15
Craig Andrews
I got a different type of doctor. Once he lay on his couch and talk to him about it, but it's still important, you know. It's still important. I would say that most, you know, it's the rare business owner that really wants to get deep into the rare entrepreneur. Let me say that it's the rare entrepreneur that really wants to get deep into the to the books.

00;17;54;18 - 00;17;59;27
Craig Andrews
Yeah. What's your advice for somebody like that?

00;17;59;29 - 00;18;23;09
Rusty Fulling
Yeah. Well I would agree, Craig. I do think accounting is boring by itself. Okay. So so we'll get to the Chase real quick here. I'd tell you the things that I've, I've appreciated about, this platform and kind of the industry that we're in is the stories that the numbers tell. And I think sometimes people get wrapped up in the numbers and it's like, oh, you know, their eyes glaze over.

00;18;23;11 - 00;18;44;13
Rusty Fulling
But when you can use those to tell a story and, and, you know, I, I love the analogy of having a CFO is like having using a GPS to really move your business in the right direction and navigate around those closed roads and those pitfalls versus an old paper map that it's like, I mean, sure, this road's open anymore.

00;18;44;16 - 00;19;02;07
Rusty Fulling
And so when you can use the numbers to tell the story, am I going to be in business six months from now? What can I do differently to make make this more successful? That's where that's when when you're talking to an entrepreneur, do they need to get to the degree on the, you know, the pennies on the balance sheet or the income statement?

00;19;02;07 - 00;19;06;05
Rusty Fulling
Probably not. But they do need to know the story.

00;19;06;08 - 00;19;22;02
Craig Andrews
Yeah. No, I like that. Like the way of putting that, you know, and one of the things, at least in my own journey, I think one of the things that surprised me the most was understanding the levers of cash flow.

00;19;22;04 - 00;19;23;11
Rusty Fulling
Yes.

00;19;23;13 - 00;19;43;27
Craig Andrews
And I think it's easy for entrepreneurs to just think, okay, I'm just going to work harder at this task until better outcomes happen. And for me, the big surprise was when it comes to cash flow, there's some levers. You only have to turn them a small degree to make a big impact. So I don't have to work as hard.

00;19;44;00 - 00;19;46;26
Craig Andrews
If I turn this lever versus another lever.

00;19;46;29 - 00;20;07;29
Rusty Fulling
That's right, that's right. Yeah. It's amazing. And again, sometimes it's just, you know, having somebody to come a little guide on, on some of that. We had, an electrician that we worked with years ago when a service that he just did multiple times, multiple times. And it was just just adjusting the pricing on that, like he just said just a little bit.

00;20;08;02 - 00;20;27;26
Rusty Fulling
And it made it, you know, tens of thousands of dollars difference because of the multiple multitude of times he that he's done that throughout the year. So, so sometimes it can be just little things. But that cash flow forecast that you're talking about that can be so helpful because it can show us three, 4 or 6 months ahead, maybe even farther than that.

00;20;27;29 - 00;20;42;04
Rusty Fulling
How much cash are we going to have and and make decisions based on that? Maybe we need to amp up sales now or we need to take dollars out for distributions. You know, it gives us some, some, permission to do those kind of things.

00;20;42;07 - 00;20;52;18
Craig Andrews
When you you mentioned some story about a deck builder. Yes. And his problem wasn't he was getting the business. That one has problem. Yeah.

00;20;52;21 - 00;21;14;10
Rusty Fulling
Yeah. And sometimes it's. Yeah, I hear this a I want to double my business next year. And that sounds very lofty. The challenge sometimes is like this. Yeah. This deck builder story was they were losing money on every deck they built. And you're thinking, why would you want to double your business if you're losing money on every deck is not working harder.

00;21;14;13 - 00;21;36;26
Rusty Fulling
It's it's it is that working smarter? It's hey, let's let's see what it actually cost us to build these before we put the price tag on them for the customer. And so, so yeah, again, sometimes it just takes that maybe we need to step back before we double. And and for them that was the case. They needed to understand their cost so they could then determine what they could charge going forward.

00;21;36;29 - 00;21;58;28
Craig Andrews
Yeah. Well and as we're wrapping up, there's I think there's one thing we got to cover and that is putting people in charge of money is a scary thing. Yeah, I would say that the way I look at it is good people in the wrong circumstance sometimes make bad choices.

00;21;59;01 - 00;22;27;04
Rusty Fulling
Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. And sometimes, you know, even the good people, whether it's intentional or unintentional, we've seen that happen before where we're maybe, Bill is being paid at that to a vendor that doesn't exist. In, in, in that can be detrimental to, to a small business owner sometimes. Unfortunately, there's, there's folks that that decide they want to pad their own pocket and the company won't miss a few dollars here and there.

00;22;27;07 - 00;22;48;25
Rusty Fulling
And, and as a business owner, it's also important to have separation of duties. And just a second set of eyes looking over that part of your business because but we just have so many stories, unfortunate stories of seeing business owners being taken advantage of by not having good checks and balances in place.

00;22;48;28 - 00;23;10;02
Craig Andrews
You know, my wife, for a brief period of time, worked for a bank, and she told me that nobody knows the entire combination to the safe. Yes, one person that knows half the combinations, someone else that knows the other half. Yeah. How do you how do you put that sort of system in place in, in your finances and in business?

00;23;10;06 - 00;23;33;24
Rusty Fulling
Yeah, yeah. And that could be as simple as whoever's entering the bills in the, in the system isn't the one that has access to paying the bills. I mean, that's a simple, simple system there. And multiple approvers, you know, if there's a certain dollar amount. So there's a lot of, what we call standard operating procedures that can be put in place even in the smallest business.

00;23;33;24 - 00;23;55;26
Rusty Fulling
There's some really neat things. Today's environment, there's so much electronic transfer of funds. There's some great tools out there that can help you with that. And so, we use a lot of those tools with the companies we work with just because, yeah, we want to make sure they, they have good checks and balances. Years ago there was a stack of checks at one of our clients.

00;23;55;28 - 00;24;24;23
Rusty Fulling
And the cleaning crew would go in at night and they would still checks off the bottom of the pile and write checks out, you know, for for the electronics store or wherever. And so, you know, one of the checks and balances after the fact was reconciling the bank statement on a regular basis and saying, hey, who who bought the big screen TV, you know, and so, so, it's making sure you have some of those in place that'll help prevent but also catch quickly those kind of things.

00;24;24;23 - 00;24;57;29
Craig Andrews
So one, well, this has been really interesting. And I love your I love that we started off with leadership and, you know, the I think there's so much there. And then just kind of wrapping up, I mean, I, I know specific business owners that have lost millions of dollars by not having checks and balances in and, one that almost ended up in deep, deep trouble with the IRS.

00;24;57;29 - 00;25;17;05
Craig Andrews
They were getting ready to, to seize assets. And, yeah, it was a bookkeeper that kept two sets of books. So good advice. Rusty, if somebody wanted to reach you, how could they find you?

00;25;17;08 - 00;25;33;10
Rusty Fulling
Yeah, absolutely. On LinkedIn, rusty following on LinkedIn and then, go to my personal site. Be great. Is rusty full Inc.com. So, definitely check those out. And that'll lead you to our accounting firm fulling management and accounting as well.

00;25;33;12 - 00;25;37;13
Craig Andrews
All right. Well, rusty, thanks for being on leaders and legacies.

00;25;37;16 - 00;25;41;06
Rusty Fulling
Hey. Thanks, Greg.

00;25;41;06 - 00;26;10;04
Craig Andrews
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