James Elliman planned to be a Marine officer, following a family legacy of military service. But a last-minute medical disqualification forced a hard pivot. Instead of serving in uniform, he leaned into his lifelong love of tech and launched Elliman Technologies to simplify IT for small businesses.

In this episode, James shares how leadership isn't just about titles—it’s about clarity, adaptability, and serving others, even when plans fall apart. He opens up about the early days, charging $14 an hour and fixing printers via Facebook. Over time, he learned how to price value, not time, and transitioned to a scalable MSP model. That shift not only stabilized his business—it turned him into a more strategic leader.

James discusses how overwhelming tech stacks taught him the importance of standardization, the role of empathy in customer service, and why flexible pricing models build trust. He also unpacks the chaos from recent tech outages, and how proactive leadership helped clients stay calm while the internet burned.

Want to learn more about James Elliman's work? Check out their website at https://ellimantech.com.

Connect with James Elliman on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-elliman-a7667212a/.

Key Points with Timestamps

• [00:01:16] — Launching Elliman Technologies: A pivot from a Marine officer dream to entrepreneur

• [00:02:34] — Leadership lesson: How losing a career path sparked a new mission

• [00:07:32] — Humble beginnings: Charging $14/hour and solving tech issues via Facebook

• [00:09:02] — What is “Break-Fix” and why it fails businesses long-term

• [00:11:42] — Learning to bill for value: The 40-hour recovery job that changed everything

• [00:13:34] — Transition to MSP: Leadership through systematization and software unification

• [00:14:28] — Why MSP pricing confuses clients—and how leadership means educating, not just selling

• [00:17:31] — Elliman’s hybrid pricing model: Flexibility as a leadership strategy

• [00:19:29] — Cloudflare outage: How a calm, informed MSP response reflects leadership in crisis

• [00:21:10] — How to contact Elliman Technologies and what clients can expect from their team

Transcript

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Craig Andrews
I was in a coma for six weeks while the doctors told my wife I was going to die. When I woke up, she told me the most fantastic story. My team kept running the business without me. Freelancers reached out to my team and said, we will do whatever it takes. As long as Craig's in the hospital. I consider that the greatest accomplishment in my career.

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Craig Andrews
My name is Craig Andrews and this is the Leaders and Legacies podcast where we talk to leaders creating an impact beyond themselves. At the end of today's interview, I'll tell you how you can be the next leader featured on this show.

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Craig Andrews
Today, I want to welcome James Elliman. He is the founder of Elliman Technologies. They are both a mssp and an ISP, and that means they make sure that your office is wired up. And once,

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Craig Andrews
inside the office that your systems are working.

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Craig Andrews
He's been working on computers since he was in the fifth grade. He started by installing antivirus for his neighbors.

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Craig Andrews
And in 2019, he launched 11 technologies with one goal in mind. And that is to simplify it. And more importantly, to simplify it for small businesses. James, welcome.

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James Elliman
Thanks for having me.

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Craig Andrews
Yeah. So there was something that you said that of course caught my ear. Always does.

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Craig Andrews
You know, where are we?

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Craig Andrews
Just over a week ago.

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Craig Andrews
We were celebrating the Marine Corps 250th birthday, and,

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Craig Andrews
you were on the trajectory to be a marine officer, if I understand. Right?

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James Elliman
I was. So it's a great time. I enjoyed it.

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Craig Andrews
Yeah. So, what were you doing?

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Craig Andrews
Due to filming and what happened?

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James Elliman
Yeah, absolutely. So,

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James Elliman
I started,

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James Elliman
in college. I was my grandfather, my great grandfather and my my dad were all marine officers, and they're all artillery officers in range specific tech. And I decided in college that I wanted the same thing. I wanted to go shoot giant projectiles and stuff. That sounds like fun, travel the world and all that.

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James Elliman
And so I could I that was my plan. And all along. And then when I was graduating college and shipping off to Officer Kent School, well, I found out that a knee surgery I had had a a little while back, I had kind of come up in a second round of medical review and they said, yeah, you're no longer eligible.

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James Elliman
And so that's just kind of how I, I ended

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James Elliman
up starting, you know, what the technology is, is a original plan. Just kind of fell through.

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Craig Andrews
I'm sorry. Now, what were you doing? Were you doing,

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Craig Andrews
Oh, heck, I forgot the term for it, but were you. Were you doing marine activities when you were in college, or was it just.

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James Elliman
Yeah. So, the the officer program,

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James Elliman
in,

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James Elliman
in college is very similar to, like, ROTC, you know, and for the Army, anywhere you get to spend your, your weekends,

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James Elliman
doing training exercises is usually the officer program in Ohio, where I was as was nice because they gave you one weekend off, which was pleasant. You know, a lot of the ROTC Army guys, there were, every weekend they were off doing something like, I'm never getting anything done on campus.

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James Elliman
I was like,

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James Elliman
sucks for an Army guy. I'll take the Marines.

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Craig Andrews
So you went to college in Ohio. Did you grow up in Ohio?

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James Elliman
No, I just went on to college out there. I went to Ohio Wesleyan.

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James Elliman
The only reason I picked it is both my parents went there.

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Craig Andrews
Oh.

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James Elliman
Okay. And then I was in high school. I had no idea what I was going to do with my life. So I knew I wanted to work on computers, but I didn't really know anything else. And I was as as a high school kid, I had no idea what that is. You know, the colleges were. I read them all the same, like, oh, they have a computer science program.

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James Elliman
Cool. That's that's good enough for me. I was as I was touring schools and so. Oh ended up settling on one that my parents were like, yeah, this is a great school. We went there and I'm like, cool, that sounds good enough. I, I don't I don't know the difference.

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Craig Andrews
So when you're in college and you're doing,

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Craig Andrews
the weekends with the Marine Corps, was it

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Craig Andrews
local to the area or where are you going somewhere else or what were you doing?

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James Elliman
We traveled everywhere.

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James Elliman
We we we do things we do, like local that land out of and,

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James Elliman
national where the state parks, parks and things. Which, the best. You scare a bunch of hikers. There was watching a bunch of of Canada. It's walking around with their compasses and camouflage

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James Elliman
in state park and pop up on a trail and like, who are you?

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James Elliman
What are you doing? And it really startles them.

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James Elliman
Or we go in travel too. We went down to Tennessee once before we went to,

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James Elliman
I can't remember what base it was,

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James Elliman
but we actually got to go through a whole all weekend training exercise, which was a lot of fun. And entailed like a full camping and everything else.

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James Elliman
I ate misses all weekend long, and that is a that is an experience for for a college kid for the first time. Did Mrs.. And camp in the cold in the rain. And then it was like February 8th. It was not a pleasant experience but it was fun and it was like, wow, this what are we doing? Okay, cool.

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Craig Andrews
But you know, those memories have like an insane number of calories per meal.

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James Elliman
Yeah. And sodium. Talk about how thirsty you are after that. That is I was drinking water. Like, there it was going out of style.

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Craig Andrews
Yeah, yeah. Wow. Well, I'm sorry you didn't get to go to OCS. It's it's.

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James Elliman
Fine. I've. I've kind of found that I found my niche in the world where I'm supposed to be, and that's okay with me.

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Craig Andrews
So. So obviously, life was derailed. You. You know, you're going through college, you're planning to be,

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Craig Andrews
be a marine officer, and all of a sudden, that's not happening. What what do you do next?

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James Elliman
Well, I moved back to South Shore, Massachusetts after I graduated and moved in with my grandmother to help her out around the house, and I had no idea what I was going to do at the time. And so I was helping out a friend of mine. And in the maritime industry, just kind of part time. So I had some form of paycheck, to live for living expenses.

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James Elliman
And it was when I was sitting around, I would sit there and scroll Facebook, which was probably a really dumb idea at the time. I mean, just now, we still try to get people to ask for doomscrolling, but I would sit there and and the local Facebook groups like a local community, Facebook groups, and I see people that were like, hey, my printer doesn't work or my Wi-Fi doesn't work.

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James Elliman
And I sit there answering questions or be like, hey, I can stop by and take a look. And,

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James Elliman
I charged. I will never forget this is my first invoice. I charged for $14 an hour.

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James Elliman
Because I had no idea what I was doing at the time.

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James Elliman
I did not know that. As a consultant, you have to charge a different rate than the minimum wage I was making and doing helping on my friend part time.

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James Elliman
And so it was like, oh, okay. And as I've learned and grown and now we've now now we're a much different organization. What I was, is just going Facebook answer in tech questions.

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Craig Andrews
Yeah. So yeah, it's it's interesting the I mean I'm bi

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Craig Andrews
I know that's the case for me starting the business. It's it's always hard trying to figure out how to price your services. And there's, there's a part where you feel like I'm charging too much. Nobody will ever pay this.

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Craig Andrews
Did you have any of that?

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James Elliman
When I did hourly break fix work, I had a I had that mental crisis a lot of times, like, I sit there and I'd be like, okay, cool.

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Craig Andrews
And then let's let me just kind of pause for for those that aren't familiar with the lingo, break fix is somebody has a problem. You call them, you fix it. The contrast is what's what's the other model.

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James Elliman
So oh, it's

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James Elliman
it's basically just hourly rates. So you call oh I spend x amount of hours versus to fix something I charge you for x one hours. Or is the other model or is the managed service model or where you pay one month flat monthly fee and that fees broken up in different ways? Some people just have a flat fee for the business.

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James Elliman
Some charge per workstation, some charge per employee is. And there's different pricing models inside of that MSP a model, but at the end of the day, you pay a set price at the end of every month.

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Craig Andrews
Okay. And so anyway, you know, you're so you're starting off with just break fix and and

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Craig Andrews
how did you set your pricing?

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James Elliman
Well, it started at 14 bucks an hour and realized that was not going to work out for me long term because overhead of driving place and everything else is not like, have you work for someone else for you clock in and no matter what you're doing, you're getting paid.

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James Elliman
And so I started googling thing like, oh, hey, what what does everyone else charge?

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James Elliman
And I noticed that some providers in the area had the same hour, or they had their hourly rates right on their website. And so I worked off of that. At the time, I was like, cool. I see that these three other companies all charge $75 an hour. That's what I'll charge. And so I did that.

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James Elliman
But I always had this mental crisis whenever I was at.

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James Elliman
So, a place is a client stance and like, oh, this is going to take me a really long time to fix. Like, if you remember,

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James Elliman
that I remember back in,

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James Elliman
like the early, likely early, probably early 2020 ish as we were slowly transitioning into the MSP market. I,

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James Elliman
I was working on a weed controller or and it was it was a rate control and it was a pretty large amount of data.

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James Elliman
And it was going to take a probably about 40 hours to, to repair it. According to the the documentation that the manufacturer had sent me. And I'm like, I don't think this client is going to want to chart to pay for 40 hours worth my labor in Texas. And I would always have like that. Crisis in my head, like, oh, this is not like an hour or two project.

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James Elliman
I don't think they understand what's coming towards them. And I was scared. I was always scared that they were never going to pay sometimes.

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Craig Andrews
Yeah.

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James Elliman
Especially early on.

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Craig Andrews
Well. And what what happened? So you go in this, did you charge them for the 40 hours?

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James Elliman
And I did. And they were reluctant, but they understood. They I, I basically sat down and I said to them, hey, this is what the documentation says. I followed it to a T. Everything's working. And they're like, okay, cool it. Put up a little bit of fight about, have a full 40 hours. But that was the last paycheck I ever got.

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James Elliman
At that time. My life.

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Craig Andrews
Wow. Well, and then you switch to the, to the MSP model. Yeah. And what what brought about that change?

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James Elliman
It was mostly that I was managing. I was mostly by myself at that point, and I didn't really have a whole lot of help. Oh, really? Not at all. I had one person part time, and but I was managing all these different softwares, and I had no idea what everyone was on. Like, it wasn't standardized. Like we had some people on Webroot Antivirus, we had others on set.

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James Elliman
No one had other ones on Sophos, and I couldn't keep track of it. I had no idea what was going on, so I, I say, oh, I think I have a virus. Cool. I to go log into this web portal all and figure out how to use this web portal or figure out how to use this email software.

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James Elliman
I we've had clients on probably seven different email softwares, server softwares and so I was learning all these different tools and I was like, this is overwhelming. This is really overwhelming. And so when we switched to the MSP model we included all the software with it. So if you buy a R workstation package, you get Huntress, you get that no one on you get that was you get Savage X, you get a everything and it's,

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James Elliman
auto elevate.

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James Elliman
Threat blocker or all those tools that I would have to it as a break fix. So hey, I want to sell you this for $2 an endpoint. I would say that for $2 and, oh, this person just buy this for, for all their workstations. And so I went from having like 15,000 passwords to, for different logging portals to a dozen.

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James Elliman
And so it mainstream

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James Elliman
made it support a lot faster to me.

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Craig Andrews
Now.

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Craig Andrews
What's,

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Craig Andrews
What what should people expect when they're reaching out to an MSP? What are the questions they should ask? What are some of the things they should consider when bringing in the MSPs into their business? The first one is defining.

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James Elliman
The pricing model. That is something that I think confuses a lot of people more, especially at least when I sit down in our sales process.

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James Elliman
It's,

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James Elliman
it's usually a very big it's the most confusing aspect, I can tell you, that I'm going to provide all these cybersecurity services. I can tell you I'm going to handle all this tech support.

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James Elliman
But at the end of the day, at,

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James Elliman
there's such a drastic difference in how the pricing models work. And MSP is you have of our hybrid model where we split up the billing process into users, and the basis is to be a little more flexible to different businesses, as you have other businesses that will charge you for every employee you have in your payroll system.

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James Elliman
So you're paying for the janitor that may never touch your computer. Or or you'll find other companies that charge per workstation and that. But they put your credit card down for all of the licensing and the vendors. And so understanding that the pricing model is huge, that is the number one thing that I think a lot of businesses and business owners and businessmen or office managers, whoever is talking to the MSP, they really struggle with because it's not like going to like a marketing agency where they say, okay, yeah, we do all this.

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James Elliman
It's it's all in one package page because it's they don't have to worry about licensing for users or workstations. It's, hey, we're going to provide marketing for your Facebook, Instagram and LinkedIn. And so that's a it's it's simple. It's how many social media platforms probably five max include food X or Twitter or whatever. It's called now.

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James Elliman
Like that.

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James Elliman
A lot of those are bookkeeping where they just say, hey, this is we charge this per hour. Like a lot of those other services. It's my understanding, the pricing model. So very simplified the MSP market. There's so many different options.

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Craig Andrews
What do you recommend? I mean, if, if, let's say you were your own customer,

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Craig Andrews
what would you sign up for?

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James Elliman
I really like our hybrid model.

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James Elliman
I, I we we really we broke it down because as you'll have, you'll have every business is different. And to go with a model that's like priced per employee or price based buy workstation. Well, what if you have one employee that, has 2 or 2 laptops or you have one laptop or like you have a reception desk that is split up and has you have five part time receptionists that kind of rotate through, or you don't want to be overpaying in any one of those formats.

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James Elliman
So we split the cost of where you'll see a lot of MSP and MSPs in our area. At least they charge about $150 per person, per workstation, or per user per employee, as they say. So we split it down the middle and said, okay, cool. Well, $75 for the workstation, $75 for the employee. Yeah. And then so as you scale and you can say, okay, cool.

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James Elliman
Well, we have we're adding another employee, but we're not adding another workstation. So we made it flexible in that regard.

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Craig Andrews
Just cool.

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Craig Andrews
The

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Craig Andrews
you know, it's so here's something just kind of in recent news,

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Craig Andrews
Cloudflare went down and,

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Craig Andrews
Emil, I sort of know what Cloudflare is, but I know the impact was it took down Twitter, it took down,

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Craig Andrews
Canva, which is a, you know, thing. I use.

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Craig Andrews
It took down ChatGPT. I mean, it just took down a lot.

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Craig Andrews
When it first happened, I was trying to log on to Canva to make a graphic for my LinkedIn post for the for the day and, and I just couldn't get in and it started telling me all you need to go in and do this, this and this. I initially started looking to try to do it and,

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Craig Andrews
you know, it was it said that I blocked something with Cloudflare and then I thought, and I also noticed that ChatGPT had gone there and I was like, I wonder if there's a central issue here, but I would imagine that I'm a little bit of an unusual user that most people would, you know, say, oh my

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Craig Andrews
goodness, my computer just broke, and what do I do?

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Craig Andrews
Did you have much of that happening? You know, what kind of service calls did you get that day?

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Craig Andrews
Not as many as.

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James Elliman
You would think.

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James Elliman
We have a lot of a lot of our clients. We do a lot of work with professional services, and a lot of them have Active Directory systems that have built in DNS. So it makes copies of the Cloudflare records. So we don't we didn't have a lot of that. We definitely had some, but not as much as a lot of,

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James Elliman
trying to keep this high level.

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James Elliman
Oh hold that. Cloudflare has two different settings for DNS. They have straight DNA as and then they proxy DNS. So all of those straight eight DNS records Active Directory kind of picked up. And but with the status as replication services handled that really well the proxy ones. And for where things really went down. No. Oh we got a lot of calls for things like ChatGPT.

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James Elliman
They, they used proxy DNS records. And so you'd get we got a lot of calls like, hey, this website just doesn't work.

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James Elliman
Yeah. Because it's a larger issue. And I think coming from that, I mean, in the last three weeks, we've or three weeks or so, we've had Amazon go down, we've had Azure go down. Now we've had Cloudflare go down and the, the, the big three tech tech chains and

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James Elliman
that kind of really monopolized the internet in a lot of ways.

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James Elliman
It's so it's it's interesting to see okay, cool. Where is the internet going next.

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Craig Andrews
Yeah. Yeah. Well,

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Craig Andrews
James, it's been interesting.

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Craig Andrews
If if somebody needs some help with,

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Craig Andrews
mssp,

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Craig Andrews
you know, with their IT system, how do they reach you?

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James Elliman
The best way is very through the website element technology. Oh, yeah. Element tactics.

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James Elliman
And and

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James Elliman
we have those booking links right on there. You can send us an email. Oh, there's their,

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James Elliman
or just give our, our office number a call. We answer at 20 473, 65 days a year.

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Craig Andrews
Okay. Excellent. What is that number?

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James Elliman
It's 508503 6763.

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Craig Andrews
Excellent. Well, James, thanks for coming on. Layers and Legacies.

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James Elliman
Thank you so much for having me. Okay.

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Craig Andrews
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