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Commitment Carries You Through with John Ulsh October 22, 2026 by [Craig Andrews](https://pod.allies4me.com/podcast/author/craig-andrews) John Ulsh survived a catastrophic head-on collision, an 18-day coma, and 45 accident-related surgeries. In this episode, he shares how rebuilding his life taught him to focus on what he can control, redefine progress, and rely on commitment when motivation fades. A routine drive home from his daughter’s swim meet changed John Ulsh’s life in seconds. After a head-on collision with a combined impact speed of 125 miles per hour, he was given a 3% chance of survival. He awoke from an 18-day coma paralyzed from the waist down, beginning a recovery that would include 45 accident-related surgeries. Surviving did not restore John’s old life. More than two years later, his daughter tearfully told him she missed the father who used to train with her. The next day, John left outpatient physical therapy and entered a local YMCA, where rebuilding his body became a way to reclaim his role as a father—and turn pain he could not control into effort he could. That experience reshaped John’s understanding of achievement. The finish line does not teach the most important lessons; the setbacks, adjustments, and daily practice do. Instead of measuring himself against who he had been before the accident, he learned to create a new definition of progress. For leaders facing uncertainty, John’s message is direct: motivation may get you started, but commitment is what carries you forward. You cannot control every market condition, setback, or disruption. You can control whether you show up, take the next step, learn, and take another. When you fall in love with that process, the outcome stops being the only reason to continue. Want to learn more about John Ulsh's work? Check out their website at [https://johnulsh.com/](https://johnulsh.com/). Connect with John Ulsh on LinkedIn at [https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnulsh/](https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnulsh/). Think you'd be a great guest on the show? Apply at [https://podcast.allies4me.com/podcast-guest/](https://podcast.allies4me.com/podcast-guest/). Want to learn more about Craig Andrews' work at allies4me? Check out his website at [https://allies4me.com/](https://allies4me.com/). ## Key Points with Timestamps - **00:05:11** — A Routine Drive Becomes a 125-Mph Head-On Collision - **00:07:42** — A 3% Survival Prognosis Begins a Long Rebuild - **00:14:27** — Forty-Five Surgeries Turn Recovery Into a Repeated Process - **00:28:43** — Choose a Difficult Process Whose Pain You Can Control - **00:30:46** — Treat Outcomes as Measurements, Not the Goal - **00:35:38** — Motivation Starts the Work; Commitment Carries It - **00:36:24** — Regain Momentum by Controlling the Next Step - **00:37:29** — Fall in Love With the Process, Not the Finish Line ## Transcript **\[00:00.000\]** I was in a coma for six weeks while the doctors told my wife I was going to die. **\[00:11.020\]** When I woke up, she told me the most fantastic story. **\[00:15.120\]** My team kept running the business without me. **\[00:19.880\]** Freelancers reached out to my team and said we will do whatever it takes as long as Craig's **\[00:24.720\]** in the hospital. **\[00:26.720\]** I consider that the greatest accomplishment in my career. **\[00:30.880\]** My name is Craig Andrews and this is the Leaders in Legacy podcast where we talk to leaders **\[00:36.880\]** creating an impact beyond themselves. **\[00:39.880\]** At the end of today's interview, I'll tell you how you can be the next leader featured **\[00:44.720\]** on this show. **\[00:51.720\]** Today, I want to welcome John Ulsh, he is the best-selling author of Upside Down or **\[00:57.000\]** The Upside of Down. **\[00:58.520\]** He's also a speaker and resilience expert who understands firsthand what it means to rebuild. **\[01:06.400\]** John survived a catastrophic head-on collision in 2007 with less than a 3% chance of survival **\[01:14.720\]** and he endured more than 45 surgeries and years of recovery. **\[01:20.160\]** I found out one thing we have in common is we both had punctured lungs. **\[01:25.120\]** Through that journey, he developed a practical framework for turning adversity into forward **\[01:30.280\]** momentum and learned the power of falling in love with the process rather than focusing **\[01:35.600\]** solely on the outcome. **\[01:38.240\]** Those lessons became the foundation for his eight pillars of unbreakable success. **\[01:43.880\]** First designed to help people navigate adversity, embrace change, and keep moving forward. **\[01:50.360\]** That's part of his coaching group, The Unbreakable Success. **\[01:57.320\]** John, welcome. **\[01:58.320\]** Craig, thanks for having me. **\[01:59.800\]** I'm really looking forward to this conversation. **\[02:02.240\]** Yeah. **\[02:03.240\]** Please forgive me. **\[02:04.240\]** I'm probably going to call you Josh again before all this is ever. **\[02:08.880\]** I think you're right, it's seeing John and Ulch together the brain just compresses that **\[02:14.480\]** in one word. **\[02:15.480\]** It does. **\[02:16.480\]** I told you, it happens all the time. **\[02:18.640\]** It is uncanny the number of times I get called Josh. **\[02:23.520\]** Yeah. **\[02:24.520\]** Anyway, I intentionally didn't look up much about your story just because for me, a lot **\[02:32.960\]** of the joy of this is discovering it firsthand along with the audience. **\[02:39.280\]** I want to make sure I have the same questions that they're going to be asking because I'm **\[02:43.920\]** coming at it cold, but what happened? **\[02:47.560\]** Give me a little bit of the story. **\[02:50.920\]** I want to make sure that we talk about a lot of the challenges, but the story itself is **\[02:56.640\]** crazy in the sense that it's been almost 20 years since the accident on December 1st of **\[03:03.040\]** 2007. **\[03:04.040\]** It was the Saturday right after Thanksgiving, so Thanksgiving was late. **\[03:08.320\]** My eight-year-old daughter had a swim meet. **\[03:11.080\]** I live in central Pennsylvania, and so those are indoor swim meets at that time. **\[03:17.280\]** That swim meet was about an hour north, I'm sorry, an hour south of where we lived outside **\[03:22.800\]** of Harrisburg. **\[03:23.800\]** It's almost in Hagerstown, Maryland, so I know you have to be a Maryland guy. **\[03:27.440\]** That's going to say, "The hour south, you're touching on my home state." **\[03:30.160\]** Yeah. **\[03:31.160\]** I was at Mercersburg at James Buchanan High School, so Mercersburg Academy is right there. **\[03:35.880\]** This was an early meet, and so the meet was already over at noon, and so we kind of bribed **\[03:43.320\]** our four-year-old son saying like if you could behave through your sister's swim meet, again, **\[03:49.880\]** he doesn't get the swim, so he's like, "Why is she getting the swim, and I'm sitting inside **\[03:53.040\]** in this sweaty indoor swimming pool?" **\[03:55.240\]** We're like, "If you could behave, we'll go get a Christmas tree when we're done." **\[04:00.480\]** Now it was a snowy December 1st, which again, you being originally from the Middle Atlantic, **\[04:06.880\]** that's really early for snow on the ground, and the only reason I know it was there is **\[04:10.000\]** because I was a marathon runner, so that morning at 5 AM, I got up and ran 12 miles with an **\[04:15.760\]** inch of snow on the ground in the dark, and so it was a cold kind of December 1st, and **\[04:22.840\]** so the swim meets over by noon, and so we're going to leave, and instead of turning left **\[04:29.280\]** out of the school and going back the same direction we just came, we decided we'd turn **\[04:33.760\]** right on this Route 16, which is a 55-mile country road that runs over to Interstate 81 **\[04:41.140\]** in Green Castle, and so we're like, "Let's just go the scenic route." **\[04:44.880\]** So we're driving pretty much cornfields on both sides, white-tail ski area, if you remember **\[04:52.360\]** white-tails up in the air, and you get to see them blow and snow. **\[04:54.680\]** That's early again, we're like, "We might get to go skiing soon." **\[05:00.200\]** That's the last thing I remember, a car coming the other direction in a straightaway at the **\[05:05.080\]** very last second, across the yellow line, we went driver to driver, the police estimated **\[05:11.200\]** him the beach traveling at 70 and us at 55, so 125-mile impact speed. **\[05:17.560\]** Physics comes in in two objects in opposite directions, you take their combined speeds, **\[05:21.960\]** and so again, no drugs or alcohol in his system, he was on a cell phone talking to his fiance, **\[05:29.960\]** he had a two-month-old baby son to her, and he died instantly, no seatbelt, either. **\[05:40.640\]** So my whole family was injured, but we all survived. **\[05:44.840\]** That was the most injured, because again, we went driver to driver. **\[05:50.080\]** My wife was in the front seat, unconscious, shattered hand, shattered foot, broken ribs, **\[05:56.120\]** laceration from the seatbelt. **\[05:58.920\]** My son, the four-year-old, was in a booster seat behind me. **\[06:02.600\]** My seat came back, snapped his fibiotibion, his left leg, then the seatbelt of his booster **\[06:09.760\]** seat ended up cutting his small intestine without actually cutting his stomach, so he **\[06:14.920\]** ended up having to have a bowel reduction, completely unconscious, and then my eight-year-old **\[06:20.320\]** daughter was in the back passenger seat. **\[06:21.980\]** She was the only one who stayed conscious, and when first responders arrived, they actually **\[06:26.700\]** found her crawling between the front seat, crying, "Daddy, don't die." **\[06:32.000\]** So my injuries were pretty substantial, orthopedically alone, I'm 6'2", so the engine block collapsed **\[06:42.000\]** onto my left foot, because my right foot was on the brake, or actually it was on the gas, **\[06:46.880\]** because there were no brakes, there were no skid marks, but the left foot got shattered **\[06:51.880\]** under the engine block. **\[06:53.480\]** That energy traveled up my left leg, shattered my pelvis four and a half inches apart in **\[06:57.640\]** the front, and then doctors were like, "Your pelvis like a lifesaver, it can't just break **\[07:01.480\]** on one side." **\[07:02.480\]** So the back of my pelvis also snapped, and then that energy went up and shattered my **\[07:06.240\]** tailbone long ways, and then L1 through L4, so the four lowest vertebrae, all fractured **\[07:11.680\]** into each other. **\[07:13.480\]** But that wasn't what was going to kill me, my spleen ruptured, my diaphragm rupture, **\[07:18.920\]** which caused my left lung to completely collapse, and my right lung to partially collapse. **\[07:24.960\]** And so I was flown into Penn State Lifeline Medical Center, which is in Hershey, Pennsylvania. **\[07:32.000\]** So Penn State, the university is in the middle of the state, Pennsylvania, but they're teaching **\[07:37.240\]** university, and their trauma center is in Hershey, Pennsylvania, right outside of Harrisburg. **\[07:42.600\]** And so my son and I were flown there, and they gave me a 3% chance to survive. **\[07:47.920\]** I took 38 units of blood in the first 12 hours, and so I hold like eight in my body, right? **\[07:55.520\]** So I spent 18 days in a coma on a ventilator, punctured lung. **\[08:03.360\]** So the lung itself wasn't punctured, but when my diaphragm ruptured, my left lung completely **\[08:09.720\]** collapsed, and my right lung partially collapsed, and I was well over an hour from accident **\[08:14.240\]** to when I was in the ER, which is in that 40 minute plus is a real danger zone for your **\[08:19.840\]** lungs, because you're not oxygenating your brain, you're not getting oxygen to your body. **\[08:25.320\]** But the reason I mentioned that run that morning, it actually, I survived with half a lung. **\[08:32.960\]** And when I got into the hospital, they cut me from sternum, the pelvis to stop the internal **\[08:36.920\]** bleeding, left me open for almost three days to stop this bleeding internally, and I was **\[08:44.200\]** under 10% body fat, which also was a huge benefit when they cut me open that they weren't doing **\[08:49.240\]** with all this visceral fat that could have been in the way. **\[08:53.840\]** Well, I was just thinking, the fact that you were a marathoner probably played a big **\[08:58.760\]** role in that, that you didn't need as much of your lungs. **\[09:01.960\]** Yeah. **\[09:02.960\]** It was like literally half of a half of a lung for over an hour until they got me hooked **\[09:07.680\]** up to the ventilator. **\[09:08.680\]** Yeah. **\[09:09.680\]** And like I said, I was in a coma for 18 days. **\[09:11.800\]** My son, the four year old was in the second most amount of time, and he was in for 15. **\[09:17.120\]** So even by the time I came out of my coma, which was when I could breathe off on my own **\[09:22.320\]** without the ventilators, basically when I was initially unconscious and then they kept **\[09:28.800\]** me in a deuce coma because they kept having surgeries and I couldn't breathe, I was on **\[09:31.800\]** the ventilator. **\[09:33.640\]** But my family was home by the time I came out, right? **\[09:36.800\]** I knew they were injured, but I also knew they were alive and they were at home recovering. **\[09:42.160\]** So my part, that was 18 days in a coma also kept me from dealing with what the rest of **\[09:50.560\]** my family and friends were dealing with, which was, they didn't know if I had survivor, if **\[09:54.720\]** I had brain damage or anything, but I also wasn't managing my kids or my ex-wife or **\[10:01.440\]** any of the crisis that was going on around me while I was unconscious. **\[10:08.680\]** Wow. **\[10:11.040\]** What have you done with the feelings for that driver? **\[10:17.440\]** So it's interesting because like again, every year, it's December 1st, so that's the day **\[10:22.400\]** it happened and so every year, we always think about the fact that there's, this should be **\[10:29.880\]** a 20 year old young man who's never known as dad, right? **\[10:36.920\]** I mean, he was on a flip phone, but more likely what happened is something fell, something **\[10:43.840\]** distracting him at the last second, which caused him to just slide over in the my lane. **\[10:49.400\]** I mean, the choice to not wear a seat belt didn't affect me, but it certainly affected **\[10:55.720\]** him. **\[10:56.720\]** I mean, not that if you see his car, which you can see online at my website or in my book, **\[11:00.880\]** there's a picture of it, you can't even imagine there was a human being inside either one **\[11:04.280\]** of these cars on the driver's side. **\[11:06.840\]** But his choice to not wear a seat belt is crazy to me. **\[11:13.680\]** My kids would hear me say, "We're just going from the target over to the giant grocery **\[11:19.920\]** store in the same park and I put your seat belt on it. **\[11:23.000\]** I can't think of it." **\[11:24.920\]** Whenever I meet somebody who tells me don't wear their seat belt, I just want to grab **\[11:27.800\]** ahold of them and say, "Why?" **\[11:32.640\]** What is the risk that you don't want to put it on? **\[11:37.280\]** Here's part of the reason I'm asking, and you know a little bit of my story, and I told **\[11:41.280\]** you about how they gave me a drug that they knew didn't cure COVID, knew had a high risk **\[11:48.000\]** of kidney failure, and I'm just kind of the freak case that survived. **\[11:56.300\]** For me, the hardest thing is, and I still see people from that hospital that I know outside **\[12:04.000\]** of medical, and the hard thing for me is just seeing them and knowing the other lives that **\[12:10.480\]** they impacted. **\[12:12.420\]** Yeah, again, what I think about the most is this kid. **\[12:21.800\]** We've been early on in the first two years, we tried to reach out a little bit, and their **\[12:26.240\]** family or nobody wanted really anything to do with it, and again this was before social **\[12:31.040\]** media. **\[12:32.040\]** It was a challenge to even track down somebody's address and phone number to reach out, and **\[12:38.240\]** so I guess, he paid the ultimate price, and honestly in Pennsylvania, he carried Pennsylvania **\[12:48.040\]** minimum coverage of $30,000. **\[12:50.760\]** The flying of my son and I in that Penn State helicopter was $30,000, so my our insurance **\[12:58.640\]** and our car insurance and our own money became literally the only thing that was keeping us **\[13:05.440\]** things paid, and so I look at that and say, "Well, if somebody else had hit me, it was **\[13:14.240\]** a medical malpractice situation." **\[13:15.960\]** If it was somebody out working on behalf of some other company, right, the price that **\[13:24.080\]** I paid would have been also accumulated from a big lawsuit, but there was nothing to go **\[13:29.840\]** after, it was the police report that determined it wasn't my fault that he had crossed the **\[13:36.320\]** line. **\[13:37.480\]** But I look at that and say, "He died." **\[13:42.360\]** I would believe after surviving, that I survived so my kids would have a dad, my kids were **\[13:49.760\]** hating for her. **\[13:51.920\]** If I'm going to believe that I'm left on this planet because I'm here so that my kids can **\[13:57.180\]** have a dad growing up, then that young man who's now going to turn 20 never had a dad, **\[14:04.520\]** never had his father, and so that place that they paid as a family is really, really high. **\[14:15.960\]** Wow. **\[14:17.840\]** Let's talk about climbing out of that. **\[14:23.600\]** You told me, you just had a surgery what last year? **\[14:26.640\]** Yeah. **\[14:27.640\]** I've had 45 surgeries from the accident related, and I've never gone a year until this past **\[14:35.560\]** year without a major surgery. **\[14:38.800\]** I woke up 18 days later paralyzed from the waist down. **\[14:42.600\]** I took me a day or two to even realize that I was paralyzed, and put back together with **\[14:48.720\]** titanium through my foot, my pelvis, my back, and being told that this is now the **\[14:56.500\]** December, I came out December 18th from my coma. **\[15:01.200\]** By December 24th, I was being relocated to a nursing home because I couldn't go to physical **\[15:08.120\]** therapy or go to inpatient physical therapy because I was not weight bearing because of **\[15:11.960\]** all the titanium putting, there was no chance I could go vertical to put that pressure on **\[15:17.680\]** my pelvis or my back until it healed. **\[15:21.120\]** They were like, this is non-negotiable, you get eight weeks that you're going to lie flat **\[15:26.520\]** and not be weight bearing, and you can't go home, and you can't go to physical therapy, **\[15:32.760\]** so we're just going to put you in a nursing home. **\[15:35.400\]** I moved to a nursing home at Christmas Eve in my hometown because it was better to be **\[15:41.680\]** close to my family and my friends because it wasn't going to therapy, and I would spend **\[15:46.840\]** eight more weeks living in that nursing home. **\[15:50.120\]** Your body continued to atrophy during that time? **\[15:52.520\]** Yeah, so I was giving some idea. **\[15:54.240\]** I was 185-pound marathon runner, 6'2". **\[15:57.240\]** I didn't have a lot of body fat, and the January has 155 pounds, but one of the choices I made **\[16:09.120\]** really early on, at the very beginning of January, was I had my nurses tie exercise stretchy **\[16:15.880\]** bands to the frames of my bed, and again, thinking that I was going to be in a wheelchair, **\[16:27.400\]** one of the things I just, first of all, in that condition, I was literally like an infant **\[16:33.000\]** child. **\[16:34.000\]** I couldn't feed myself, brush my own teeth, had to use bedpan. **\[16:40.600\]** I would often joke because I ended up speaking a lot to nurse and nurse aid programs because **\[16:45.600\]** I'm very unique individual. **\[16:46.600\]** I went into the nursing home and got better, didn't get worse. **\[16:50.200\]** So I would speak to a lot of the programs, and I would say, "Look, you know, sponge **\[16:54.120\]** vases are overrated. **\[16:55.360\]** They're not as good as the stories you make of sound like." **\[16:59.200\]** Oh, man. **\[17:00.200\]** I felt like they were treating me like a fish. **\[17:03.240\]** They kind of flipped you ever, scrubbed you down, flipped you back. **\[17:07.080\]** They couldn't even flip me. **\[17:08.920\]** I mean, I had rails just so they could hold me up to the side so they could slide fresh **\[17:13.160\]** sheets underneath me and check me for bed sores, but I was about as useless as I could **\[17:22.040\]** be, and one of the things I just couldn't wrap my head around is like, "If I'm going **\[17:26.640\]** to be in a wheelchair, I'm not having my kids push me in a wheelchair." **\[17:30.480\]** And I had been a Division III athlete and a marathon runner, so I saw lots of wheelchair **\[17:38.320\]** racing humans. **\[17:41.320\]** And I'm like, "I just got to keep my upper body strength." **\[17:44.720\]** And so that was my motivation. **\[17:46.480\]** My motivation was I need these stretchy bands, and when I'm no longer on IV narcotics, I'm **\[17:54.440\]** on oral narcotics, I'm in a tremendous amount of pain, I'm paralyzed, you know, the big **\[17:59.120\]** tip between nursing homes and hospitals. **\[18:02.240\]** When you were in the hospital, when you were conscious, they never let you alone. **\[18:07.360\]** You know, someone's coming in on every hour, every two hours, you're getting poked and **\[18:11.420\]** prodded in the middle of the night, it didn't matter. **\[18:13.960\]** When I moved into a nursing home, I would see my third shift, nurse and nurse eight at **\[18:18.360\]** eleven p.m., and I wouldn't see him again until six a.m., unless I page for them. **\[18:24.760\]** So, you know, a lot of alone time sitting in a nursing home bed paralyzed, you know, without **\[18:33.040\]** anyone to talk to. **\[18:34.840\]** Yeah, I dropped my my pager in the little thing that I dropped it, and I couldn't get **\[18:42.320\]** out of bed, I couldn't reach it, and I was at a point where I could use my phone. **\[18:47.760\]** So I called the hospital's front desk. **\[18:49.880\]** This was after hours, I called the front desk, say, "Hey, this is Craig Andrews in room. **\[18:54.840\]** I forgot the room. **\[18:55.840\]** Never where am I?" **\[18:56.840\]** I said, "Can you send some of my in?" **\[18:58.280\]** Because I lost my my pager. **\[19:00.840\]** No, I mean, I had, I had, like, I don't even know if I had the pager thing, like, I can **\[19:07.400\]** remember again, try, like, I had, because of all the medications, and I don't know if **\[19:13.000\]** you experienced, like, I had a lot of hallucinations when I first came out of my coma, like, you **\[19:18.800\]** know, crazy hallucinations, right? **\[19:21.080\]** And so, like, I remember trying to get a nurse thinking that I had to use the restroom, not **\[19:28.520\]** remembering I was paralyzed, and I'd had a catheter, and I was fell out of bed trying **\[19:34.520\]** to, like, get the pager thing that was sitting on the, you know, stand beside my bed, and **\[19:40.680\]** I was, you know, broken back. **\[19:42.200\]** I wasn't supposed to be moving at all, but, and I don't, you know, just again, that experience **\[19:47.400\]** of being, like, out of the induced coma and getting out of intensive caring, and seven **\[19:55.680\]** days later, just, like, being moved to a nursing home. **\[19:59.500\]** When you woke up, did you have a, did you have a trach, could you talk when you woke **\[20:04.520\]** up? **\[20:05.520\]** Yeah. **\[20:06.520\]** Oh, that helps. **\[20:07.520\]** Yeah, so mine was down. **\[20:08.520\]** Yeah, mine was just through my, through my tube. **\[20:09.520\]** In fact, you know, it's funny is, I never had a beard, I never think I could grow one, **\[20:16.040\]** but I spent 18 days in the coma, like, you know, as you know, they don't shape your face. **\[20:19.960\]** So I came out, and I'm like, oh, shit, I have a beard. **\[20:23.080\]** I'm like, and I have never shaved, I've never not had a beard since, since, since I came **\[20:29.400\]** out of a coma. **\[20:30.400\]** Wow. **\[20:31.400\]** Yeah. **\[20:32.400\]** And, and every time I've even threatened it, you know, a couple of years afterwards, **\[20:35.960\]** if I, you know, my, my kids were like, no, don't show you, like, we don't know you now **\[20:39.360\]** without, like, like a beer, like, I've literally had a trimmed beard. **\[20:43.640\]** Since I had a coma and prior to that, I didn't think I could grow one. **\[20:46.480\]** But apparently 18 days of not touching your, your, your mustache or beard was enough other **\[20:51.400\]** than I had a male nurse and he would make some areas where the tape would be hold the **\[20:56.880\]** ventilator on because he knew as a guy that he had a beard that he was like, you're not **\[21:00.760\]** going to like when they pulled that tape off. **\[21:02.880\]** So there was like, it was, you know, I looked at the unibomber when I came out, just very **\[21:07.600\]** patchy, crazy looking beard and just trimmed it, had somebody trim it and I'm like, let's **\[21:13.000\]** stay. **\[21:14.000\]** Oh, let's keep it. **\[21:15.480\]** So let's, let's move to how did all that launch you into what you do now, like your, **\[21:25.500\]** your book, the upside of down and, and just what, what did, you know, what did coming **\[21:36.280\]** back and relaunching into normal life look like, unfortunately it never relaunched back **\[21:42.360\]** in the normal life, it just became a new normal for me. **\[21:46.040\]** So about two and a half years after the accident, I was well into the upper 20s for numbers **\[21:52.760\]** of surgeries at that point. **\[21:54.080\]** I mean, one of the, you know, crazy ones was like, they, I told you they left me open **\[21:57.920\]** for a couple of days when they went to shut me, I was so swollen, they couldn't pull my **\[22:02.280\]** abdominal muscles shut. **\[22:03.440\]** So they just pulled the fascia layer shut, stitch it with big blue sutures instead of **\[22:08.040\]** headache, using a plastic surgeons, like clean line and, and said, if this guy survives, **\[22:14.040\]** we're going to have to go reattach his abdominal muscles later. **\[22:17.360\]** Well, all that time late on my back caused my skin to adhere to my bowel because I had **\[22:23.760\]** no muscles in between them. **\[22:25.200\]** That's the scar healed. **\[22:26.360\]** It just attached to my bow, which created a huge problem and ultimately postponed the **\[22:32.240\]** surgery and then got postponed again when they found a hole in my heart at the time, **\[22:36.680\]** the only person in the United States, they knew what the traumatic hole between the right **\[22:41.320\]** left ventricle, like, like the normal, you know, thing that a child might be born with, **\[22:47.760\]** mine was caused by trauma and it wasn't there somewhere between month four and month six **\[22:51.840\]** after the accident, the whole opened. **\[22:54.400\]** So they were trying to figure out one, was it going to keep getting bigger? **\[22:59.160\]** And ultimately, you know, I would have doctors tell me numerous times, you're having these **\[23:02.680\]** complications like the last and probably 20 surgeries that I've had have all been related **\[23:08.840\]** to the fact that I didn't die that day. **\[23:11.640\]** These are all the scars and the blood clot issues that went through and this hold in my **\[23:17.040\]** heart, all these things that only ever appeared, you know, years later because of the cause **\[23:23.160\]** of the accident. **\[23:24.160\]** So, so I would keep having these, these setbacks and these surgeries, but about two and a half **\[23:29.280\]** years after the accident, I'm able to walk with a walker, I would eventually be able **\[23:34.240\]** to use my right leg and ultimately learn to walk because I can't feel my left leg at **\[23:39.920\]** all. **\[23:40.920\]** It feels like it's asleep. **\[23:41.920\]** The pins and needles you would feel like when your leg falls asleep and you go to stand **\[23:44.280\]** up and your foot doesn't work, I don't, I feel my big toe on my left foot, only part **\[23:49.360\]** of my, and again, miracle, there's, it's a different set of nerves. **\[23:54.560\]** And so, the sheer fact that you see somebody with diabetes or really bad frostbite, they're **\[24:00.320\]** always trying to save that big toe because that's your balance. **\[24:03.680\]** And so, so by nothing other than a pure miracle that I have feeling in this big toe that I **\[24:09.400\]** would eventually learn to stabilize enough to walk with a walker, walk with a cane. **\[24:15.720\]** By the way, I can't feel either of my big toes. **\[24:19.040\]** You can't feel either of your big toes? **\[24:20.960\]** Yeah. **\[24:21.960\]** Forever? **\[24:22.960\]** Yeah. **\[24:23.960\]** It seems that way. **\[24:24.960\]** Or since COVID? **\[24:25.960\]** Since COVID. **\[24:26.960\]** Yeah. **\[24:27.960\]** Okay. **\[24:28.960\]** Really? **\[24:29.960\]** That was a, that's crazy. **\[24:31.720\]** Yeah. **\[24:32.720\]** I mean, I know they're down there. **\[24:33.720\]** Wow. **\[24:34.720\]** You must, must be very difficult for you to walk. **\[24:36.640\]** I mean, it's, cause that's a balancing for sure. **\[24:39.000\]** Yeah. **\[24:40.000\]** I do a workout called Camp Gladiator and I'm like tipping over half the time. **\[24:44.680\]** Well, you're, you're like the story then. **\[24:46.520\]** So, so at two and a half years, I'm now on, on a walker and I'm sitting in my home office **\[24:51.280\]** and now my daughter who's now 10 is out front in the front yard, juggling a soccer ball. **\[24:56.440\]** Loved soccer when she wasn't a practice. **\[24:58.040\]** She'd be just out in the yard practicing and I look up and she's no longer there. **\[25:02.440\]** And I hear her come in the front door and she walks to my office and she's crying. **\[25:06.320\]** And I'm like, it's just assumed she hurt herself. **\[25:08.800\]** So I call her over and I said, what's wrong? **\[25:10.800\]** And she said, I missed my old daddy. **\[25:12.000\]** The one who would come out and train with me. **\[25:14.160\]** And I was like, again, I said, earlier, I, I felt like I survived so my kids would have **\[25:18.800\]** a dad. **\[25:19.800\]** And now my 10 year old daughter is sort of calling me out and saying, like, you don't **\[25:24.160\]** come outside and do things with me, you just sit in here. **\[25:27.160\]** And so the next day I quit outpatient physical therapy and just go down the street at 10 **\[25:33.920\]** a.m. **\[25:34.920\]** I go in at 9.45, tell my quit. **\[25:36.400\]** I go down the street to my local YMCA. **\[25:38.520\]** I just happened to show up at exactly the same time that United Cerebral Palsy had a program **\[25:44.400\]** for teenagers with Down syndrome. **\[25:47.040\]** So there was 12 of these young men and women, age 15 to 17, 18, in there with trainers. **\[25:55.920\]** And and and ultimately I would end up four days a week working out with with these teens **\[26:03.120\]** with Down syndrome. **\[26:04.120\]** And if you've spent any time with with people with Down syndrome, they're the most positive **\[26:08.560\]** human beings. **\[26:09.560\]** Yeah. **\[26:10.560\]** On the face of the earth. **\[26:11.640\]** And if I was going in working out with my peers at seven or eight in the morning, I **\[26:15.680\]** would have quit because I wouldn't have been one, I would have been embarrassed to just **\[26:19.400\]** it would have been the humiliation of where I was at that point, would have been more **\[26:23.760\]** than I would have been comfortable with. **\[26:26.560\]** These these kids just became, you know, super positive every time I came in, I ended working **\[26:31.600\]** out for almost a year and a half with a young man named Danny, who was 17, just strong as **\[26:37.120\]** a bull, just a big guy, but but I would be in there. **\[26:42.360\]** And I think because one, it was the YMCA and two, it was the United Cerebral Palsy, just **\[26:47.360\]** a lot of the local press and the fact that my whole family survived the car accident. **\[26:50.920\]** So every year at Christmastime, they'd want to write an article about how our recovery **\[26:55.120\]** was. **\[26:56.320\]** And so those little bit of things and and the real strides I was making in inside the gym, **\[27:03.000\]** I went from being, you know, I was a 185, you know, marathon runner to being a 215 pound **\[27:10.800\]** guy that could bench press over 300 pounds and missing half their abdominal muscles and **\[27:14.800\]** not being able to use their their left leg. **\[27:16.400\]** And so, so that turned translate into me doing Spartan races. **\[27:20.240\]** So if you're, you know, I ended up saying I wanted to do one, they got it was like four **\[27:27.960\]** years after the accident, they got a hold of that and turned it into this whole, like, **\[27:31.560\]** we're going to sponsor you, we're going to send that email saying, if John hears John's **\[27:35.200\]** story, if he can do it, you should do it, come do a Spartan race with John. **\[27:39.360\]** And then I would do these races, you know, a few a year in which people would train and **\[27:45.160\]** then we'd all meet together. **\[27:46.880\]** And you know, my only thing was everyone's going to finish with where if we have to wait, **\[27:50.120\]** we'll wait, but we're all going to do it. **\[27:52.440\]** And that kind of, you know, turned into to me being in fitness magazines, again, just **\[27:58.560\]** simply because of the fact that I was, you know, building this body that ultimately I **\[28:03.640\]** mean, that irony of it is the working out became a one, a way for me to control pain. **\[28:10.720\]** Like I was taking 90 milligrams of morphine twice a day when I started working out. **\[28:16.660\]** And I had to figure out how to deal with, with alternative forms of pain, right? **\[28:20.960\]** And, and treatment. **\[28:22.560\]** And what I was learning was I could wake up every night, a couple of times a night, just **\[28:26.920\]** my back hurting, my legs hurting, my pelvis hurting, or I could push myself so hard in **\[28:31.280\]** the damn gym that I wake up and the first thing I thought was my shoulders are killing **\[28:35.000\]** me. **\[28:36.000\]** And so, and I was like, oh, that's because I worked out. **\[28:37.720\]** And so it just like, it became pain that could control, yeah, and positive versus pain I **\[28:42.800\]** couldn't. **\[28:43.800\]** And, and that just ultimately made me stronger and stronger, not because I've had some goal **\[28:48.880\]** of like, I want to bench 300 pounds or I want to squat 500 pounds or something. **\[28:53.600\]** It just became, I have to push harder because I'm not getting sore enough anymore. **\[28:57.720\]** And when I'm not sore, I think about all the pain that I'm dealing with because of the **\[29:01.960\]** accident. **\[29:02.960\]** And then I just feel bad for myself. **\[29:04.120\]** But if I can make myself feel pain that I can associate with positive outcomes, then **\[29:12.080\]** I can have a different mindset about time in the gym. **\[29:17.160\]** And, and, and that really changed my whole concept of like, oh no, I want to run again. **\[29:23.120\]** Well, maybe I'm never going to run again. **\[29:25.040\]** But that's okay. **\[29:26.040\]** I'm going to invent what I want to be. **\[29:28.360\]** Yeah. **\[29:29.360\]** And, you know, kind of led to what we talked about even in the very beginning. **\[29:32.840\]** The process is so much more important than the outcome. **\[29:35.960\]** Yeah. **\[29:36.960\]** You know, no one ever stands. **\[29:37.960\]** I mean, as, as a runner, no one ever stands at the finish line and goes, I learned everything **\[29:41.840\]** at the finish line. **\[29:43.960\]** Everything came in the setbacks and the challenges of the training. **\[29:47.640\]** Then you'll ever get at, at the finish line, you know, I've been fortunate enough to speak **\[29:51.840\]** to a lot of division three athletes, particularly seniors about the graduate, they're the most **\[29:57.040\]** unique college athlete because they never get paid. **\[30:00.400\]** They don't have a ton of money and they probably are doing a sport that they've been doing **\[30:03.560\]** since they were seven, six years old, right? **\[30:06.960\]** And, and, and no one commits to that level and, and goes through four years of college **\[30:11.800\]** doing it as well. **\[30:13.320\]** If they don't love practice, like that's the truth. **\[30:16.200\]** Like, you know, you never meet a professional athlete who tells you they hate practice. **\[30:19.960\]** Right. **\[30:20.960\]** You know, because Michael Jordan, when Michael Jordan was playing baseball, he would get **\[30:26.920\]** in the batting cage and practice batting until his hands bled. **\[30:30.720\]** Yeah. **\[30:31.720\]** The, the grind and the practice of anything, you know, you know, you know, you see super **\[30:38.080\]** successful CEOs of companies who are extremely wealthy. **\[30:42.240\]** The money becomes just a measurement of, of, of the grind. **\[30:46.600\]** It's not the goal. **\[30:47.600\]** It's like, well, that's one way to measure success because people are investing in your **\[30:52.760\]** company or, you know, your next round of funding brings in a bunch of money means you're doing **\[30:56.880\]** a good job. **\[30:58.240\]** But, but ultimately, you know, it's the, it's the, the grind. **\[31:02.920\]** It's the setbacks and the challenges that, that you'll constantly hear from besides me **\[31:08.240\]** that, or will, where real growth has happened. **\[31:11.400\]** And ultimately, and many times it's that setback that will give you the, you know, the, the **\[31:17.280\]** fuel to propel yourself farther faster than you would have before the setback. **\[31:21.960\]** Well, you, for me, I went to, you know, it's a camp gladiator that the, some might compete **\[31:29.200\]** in an American gladiator and start a business. **\[31:31.720\]** Yep. **\[31:32.720\]** That's a, you show up in a parking lot with a workout mat and a couple of hand weights. **\[31:36.120\]** Yep. **\[31:37.120\]** And my first time in the camp gladiator, I'm in a wheelchair and on oxygen and did all **\[31:45.120\]** my, I mean, did very, very little, I mean, I was working out the whole time, but I couldn't **\[31:49.240\]** obviously couldn't do what everybody else was doing. **\[31:53.240\]** And I felt so awesome. **\[31:55.600\]** I felt like a teenager and went home and blasted, we are the champions by queen. **\[32:02.520\]** I mean, I just never felt better. **\[32:04.920\]** Yeah, I think that's, that's all Spartan races felt for me because I was never good. **\[32:10.520\]** I used to be fast and competitive. **\[32:12.640\]** Like I had to be, and when I stopped trying to be like competitive and just the sheer **\[32:17.880\]** fact that I could look at the fact that I could do it, yeah, like I could physically **\[32:22.800\]** do things that I physically couldn't do before the accident. **\[32:27.080\]** Yeah. **\[32:28.080\]** I was stronger than I had ever been. **\[32:29.920\]** You know, in college, I was a, I was a jumper and sprinter and hurdler. **\[32:33.760\]** So it wasn't like I was a distant runner and skinny in my whole life, but I was stronger **\[32:37.240\]** than I was at, you know, at 40 than I was at, at 20. **\[32:44.400\]** And, and, you know, getting that emotional high of just being able to, to do something **\[32:50.440\]** that I didn't have to compare to before. **\[32:52.840\]** Like I eventually got to a place point where I could run a 5k and I could run it like 12 **\[32:58.520\]** minute mile pace and I used to run it in under six. So, so I wasn't like, it was like, **\[33:04.120\]** well, this, I can't, I can't use as a measurement anymore and it doesn't feel good to try to **\[33:09.920\]** think about what I could do versus what I can do now. **\[33:12.760\]** So I had to go to some other direction and find something else that I didn't have this, **\[33:18.120\]** you know, idea of expectation of how good I should be at it because I don't have any, **\[33:23.160\]** I didn't have any experience doing it. **\[33:26.040\]** And so, you know, that kind of, that kind of led to like writing, like writing my book **\[33:31.120\]** was really the irony of me writing a book as I was dyslexic and had a speech impediment. **\[33:37.800\]** And now, and now I wrote a best-selling book and I stand on stages and speak for an hour. **\[33:42.920\]** And I do 50 plus podcasts a year. Like the thing that the fifth grade version of me could **\[33:52.600\]** write a book or be comfortable enough, standing in front of, you know, a thousand people on **\[33:57.680\]** talking is also a very strange journey, but post accident, before the accident, you couldn't **\[34:04.360\]** have gotten me to do it. I didn't have enough belief in trying. **\[34:09.160\]** Yeah. Yeah. **\[34:11.240\]** Let's, let's wrap up talking about what this means for businesses. You know, so you have **\[34:19.440\]** a coaching program and how does this apply to the advice that you give business owners, **\[34:27.520\]** executives, whoever? **\[34:30.840\]** Yeah. So, so I think, I think that the biggest challenge that most people who are coming **\[34:37.640\]** to me, some of them have had exceptional success, you know, business-wise, maybe with their **\[34:46.080\]** goals and maybe even with their family and everything, but something else still doesn't **\[34:49.960\]** feel right, right? And ultimately, I think a lot of times, I will meet really successful **\[34:58.840\]** people who are successful by sheer determination. And I'm always like, you know, you get, you, **\[35:05.720\]** your determination has driven your, your, your business to be successful. Could you just imagine **\[35:11.480\]** if you actually loved what you did on top of that? You know, and so a lot of times, most **\[35:17.000\]** people are coming to me with, I don't know where to start. **\[35:20.280\]** Yeah. **\[35:21.280\]** Like, and, and I think it's because we're driven to want to have a perfect plan and we want **\[35:28.520\]** to have all the things in place and, you know, so, you know, and then they come in, you know, **\[35:33.840\]** I'm super motivated. I really want to accomplish this. I said, that's, that's great because, **\[35:38.760\]** you know what, it's the motivation that put you on the Zoom with me, but it's only going **\[35:42.960\]** to be commitment that will get you where you want to be. Like, motivation fades. And so **\[35:47.320\]** so many people come with motivation and motivation will get you started. But if you don't, at **\[35:52.720\]** the end of the day, there's a, so many things outside of our control. And my car acts as **\[35:57.680\]** a perfect example. Like, I was just driving home from a swim meet in a car across the **\[36:01.160\]** center line. Like, I'm not a first responder. I'm not special forces. I'm not even a motocross, **\[36:06.560\]** you know, racer. Like, I'm doing nothing crazy. And my life has turned upside down, right? **\[36:12.040\]** Out of my control. You know, I, I run real estate teams and I coach real estate around **\[36:18.320\]** the country as well, as well as other businesses. And they're going through crazy interest rates, **\[36:24.480\]** no control. Lack of inventory, no control. What can you control? Show up. Take a first **\[36:30.200\]** step, figure it out and then take another step. Like, we all get tied up in things that, **\[36:35.200\]** that we don't have control over and we lose a ton of momentum and sleep over. And I was **\[36:40.000\]** a perfect example, you know, but 45 surgeries later, none of them, none of them I wanted **\[36:46.480\]** to have all of them necessary. And so, you know, that none of them were to fix this ugly mug. **\[36:53.560\]** It was just keep me from losing my leg. And, and so, so we can't control these things. **\[37:01.200\]** And I feel like, you know, for a lot of people who are coming to me for coaching, it's just **\[37:06.400\]** a failure to launch. And then it's, you know, I am a, I am a big written playing guy. I'm **\[37:12.360\]** a big like, if, if you know, one, if you're not writing it down, if you're not tracking **\[37:16.040\]** it, how can you know if you're winning? And, but, you know, ultimately, the single one **\[37:23.640\]** thing that I want every person who hears this podcast or reads my book or, or listens to **\[37:29.680\]** me speak, just fall in love with the process, stop worrying about the finish line. Stop. **\[37:35.320\]** You know, if you love the process, you want the finish line to move farther. Yeah. You **\[37:39.640\]** know, industry is particularly sales is such sick. Like you have a great year, you have **\[37:44.080\]** to read, you get to January and at the summer, like, Oh, it was a great year. Now they're **\[37:48.040\]** like, Oh, shit, I have to do it again. Like, how do I do it again? Or it was in the great **\[37:52.280\]** year, what do I have to do? Like, I'm like, no, you know, just keep improving, keep it **\[37:56.720\]** adjusting, keep, keep loving the process. And then the outcomes kind of come on their own. **\[38:04.240\]** And, and, you know, never get crazy high and never get crazy low on yourself. And if you **\[38:11.000\]** can maintain a life somewhere in that middle zone, then then, you know, the process will **\[38:18.880\]** become the thing that matters to you. And the setbacks as much as sometimes they hurt. **\[38:25.320\]** They ultimately start to start to realize that that forces you to evaluate and do other **\[38:30.480\]** things that you're not going to do if you're winning all the time. And so it's, you know, **\[38:36.440\]** real, real opportunity and growth, both personally and professionally come in in the setbacks. **\[38:42.480\]** And the sooner you can accept that as a reality, the sooner the setbacks don't take as much **\[38:48.440\]** at all on you. And that's great. How can people reach you? journal.com is the single location **\[38:55.880\]** to find everything. So let's JOHN ULSH.com. You can find my social links there as well **\[39:04.520\]** as the fact that we are currently giving away my audio book for free. So you can buy my **\[39:09.920\]** book the upside of down at Amazon Barnes and Noble, any of the normal bookstores. But I **\[39:16.440\]** own the rights to my audio book. And I decided a month ago, we're just going to give it away **\[39:21.480\]** to anybody who wants it. So simply go to the website. There's a link at the top that says **\[39:26.160\]** download the audio book for free. And it'll drop right in your email immediately. And **\[39:30.880\]** so it's a five and a half hour audio book that I read. It's just it was interesting because **\[39:38.040\]** I've had a lot of executives and professionals come to me and say, I haven't read a book since **\[39:43.200\]** college, but I've traveled a ton and I listened to a lot of podcasts and I listened to a lot **\[39:47.520\]** of audio books. I'm like, all right, I guess I have to record audio book. And so I did it. **\[39:52.620\]** But jomos.com, you can find that there links to LinkedIn and Instagram, Facebook, they're **\[40:01.200\]** all there. Same as the kids. Thanks, John. Thank you for coming on layers and legacy. **\[40:06.320\]** This has been amazing. Well, it's great. And again, your story is is also equally amazing **\[40:12.480\]** and there's some some real similarities that we were talking about offline that of our of **\[40:17.240\]** our challenges in the hospital. But here we are doing this. This is Craig Andrews. 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