In this insightful podcast, Michelle Raz, an accomplished entrepreneur, author, and ADHD coach, shares her journey and insights into leveraging neurodivergence as a leadership strength. Growing up with a brilliant yet unconventional father, Raz learned early on the value of thinking differently and the power of resilience. Her work, inspired by personal experiences and challenges, focuses on empowering individuals, especially those neurodivergent, to harness their unique abilities for academic and professional success.

Through Thrive Vista, her innovative edtech platform, Raz aims to transform the educational landscape for neurodivergent students by providing tailored support and strategies. Her mission is to unearth the inherent potential within each individual, sparking a transformation that transcends traditional limitations and celebrates diversity in thought and action.

Want to learn more about Michelle's work? Check out their website at http://www.Thrivister.com.

Connect with Michelle on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/coachmichelleraz.

Key Points with Time Stamps

• [00:22:22 - 00:01:00:15] Introduction of Michelle Raz, her background, and her work with neurodivergent individuals.
• [00:02:37:17 - 00:03:25:09] Raz's reflections on her father's innovative yet unconventional approach to business and life.
• [00:10:18:16 - 00:11:17:12] How personal experiences with her father and daughter shaped Raz's approach to ADHD and neurodivergence.
• [00:14:27:09 - 00:15:32:06] Raz's philosophy on harnessing neurodivergent strengths for leadership and success.
• [00:22:13:14 - 00:22:32:22] The impact of supporting neurodivergent entrepreneurs and the importance of focusing on strengths.

Transcript

00:00:22:22 - 00:01:00:15
Craig Andrews
Today I want to welcome Michelle Raz. She is an accomplished entrepreneur, author, and highly sought after coach specializing in ADHD and executive functioning skills. That equates to academic and professional success. As the co-founder and, coaching director of Thrive Vista, an innovative edtech company, she and her partner are pioneering an online academic coaching platform specifically designed to empower neurodivergent high school and college students.

00:01:00:17 - 00:01:34:22
Craig Andrews
This is a curriculum of her experience in the ADHD coaching industry, which began in 2010. She serves on the board of directors for a nonprofit promoting ADHD support for financially challenged students. Michelle's overarching mission is to uncover the extraordinary gem inherent in each individual she encounters, intending to ignite a ripple effect of transformation and empowerment for all. Michelle, welcome.

00:01:34:24 - 00:01:38:09
Michelle Raz
Thank you so much. Nice to be here.

00:01:38:11 - 00:01:55:04
Craig Andrews
So, Wow. That's, that's a mouthful. There's, a lot there to uncover. let's let's kind of go back. I mean, where where did you grow up? What? Where? Yeah. Where did you grow up? What was childhood like?

00:01:55:06 - 00:02:12:14
Michelle Raz
Yeah. I grew up in Portland, Oregon, and, from, a family that is very deep rooted and in the, city of Portland, founding books of, Swiss dairy farmers back in the day.

00:02:12:16 - 00:02:16:07
Craig Andrews
and, and where are you now?

00:02:16:09 - 00:02:26:14
Michelle Raz
I currently am in Northern California. but, I am a digital nomad, and so I will straddle between Colorado, NorCal and Oregon.

00:02:26:16 - 00:02:37:15
Craig Andrews
So you you grew up in Portland. And before we got on, you told me a little bit about your dad. You said your your dad, worked on the Columbia River or or something like that.

00:02:37:17 - 00:02:58:17
Michelle Raz
Yeah, he was, an interesting guy. That was, brilliant and came up with an idea to, break into a 100 year old traditional and barge operation on the river, which is extremely hard to do. And he muscled his way in there. There was lots of articles in the paper about the the crazy maverick that was doing this.

00:02:58:17 - 00:03:25:09
Michelle Raz
And how he got there was an incredible story of, self-made, taking a boat from the city of Portland fire, fire boats that went out, put out fires and converted it into a tugboat. And then got, barges and and muscled his way in there with some contracts and ended up, getting some contracts and being able to beat out the old dudes on the river because, his boat was the fastest being an old fire boat.

00:03:25:11 - 00:03:33:14
Michelle Raz
So he was able to carbon niche and get in, where it was a really, really hard, hard thing to do back then.

00:03:33:16 - 00:03:38:05
Craig Andrews
So the these barges are moving supplies up and down the river.

00:03:38:07 - 00:03:52:15
Michelle Raz
Yes. He was hauling wheat from Idaho, so he was able, with this teeny tiny fast boat, go way up to, way up in Idaho, get the wheat and then bring it down to Portland. And then, his contracts were in Japan at the time.

00:03:52:17 - 00:03:53:21
Craig Andrews
Oh, wow.

00:03:53:23 - 00:03:54:21
Michelle Raz
Yeah.

00:03:54:23 - 00:04:03:18
Craig Andrews
And why was that? You know, why was that so closed off? I mean, that seems pretty simple. Buy a boat, tug a barge, make a living.

00:04:03:20 - 00:04:25:02
Michelle Raz
Well, there were a few namesake companies that have been around for a very, very, very long time. And and to be able to obtain the, boat, the barges, the contract, find the weeds that hadn't already been tied up with these companies. it's a feat. I'm not sure that anybody's done it since then. I I'd love to know.

00:04:25:02 - 00:04:27:05
Michelle Raz
Actually.

00:04:27:07 - 00:04:47:18
Craig Andrews
I, I guess I'm a little bit confused. What? I mean, what what are what are the barriers? you know, I, you know, so a lot of the people listening are entrepreneurs, and, you know, they're, they're, you know, DNA is they see barriers. They knock barriers down. what were the unique barriers that he ran into?

00:04:47:20 - 00:05:09:16
Michelle Raz
Well, I think, you know, I was quite young when he started the company. As a matter of fact, I used to be dragged around to meetings with him when I was up five years old, where he was negotiating contracts with Japan. and so when you had to find your, you know, the buyer and then, going with him on trips, you know, looking for wheat, farmers that would be able, that didn't already have a contract.

00:05:09:18 - 00:05:33:06
Michelle Raz
And so going and finding those and and then, then having space and timing on the river, there's so many barges and tugboats on the river that you can go up and getting the licensing. It was, it was something that, you needed to have contacts and relationships and, there was there was a lot of barriers for him.

00:05:33:06 - 00:05:38:07
Michelle Raz
And then his personality, was a bit of a barrier as well.

00:05:38:09 - 00:05:40:07
Craig Andrews
in what way?

00:05:40:09 - 00:06:04:09
Michelle Raz
well, he, he was a strong personality and that he was brilliant and would come up with ideas when people could not, you know, find a way to do something. And he would find ways to do it. And he was very innovative. but the way he went about things was a little unconventional, which is the precedents of how I ended up doing what I do today is, at a very young age.

00:06:04:09 - 00:06:25:09
Michelle Raz
I was, many times understanding his perspective on things, but it wasn't always a match. The way people heard him. And I would hear that and see it and witness it as a child. and so throughout my life, I didn't know what it was. I couldn't pinpoint it was I knew he was brilliant and he was capable.

00:06:25:10 - 00:06:49:14
Michelle Raz
I mean, he actually had an IQ of 165. because he got in so much trouble in his youth. They had they sent him and had him tested, and that's what he came back with. but he really struggled, dealing with people. Com and people, as he would say. and he, you can do small talk and, and just a whole level of, interactions that made it difficult to, to be around him.

00:06:49:14 - 00:07:01:07
Michelle Raz
But yet people admired him and respected him. And, he had brilliant ideas, but he just had a way of delivering, and that was non-conventional.

00:07:01:09 - 00:07:04:21
Craig Andrews
can you put some teeth on that? What's. Yeah.

00:07:04:23 - 00:07:28:18
Michelle Raz
Let's go back to the 1970s. Okay. So we're talking about a whole different culture back then as well. and so he, you know, today what we call that is this is that, many of us have, met people that say things inappropriately that don't have filters. the way they approach things is unconventional, and it makes you feel uncomfortable.

00:07:28:23 - 00:07:53:02
Michelle Raz
Today we have labels for that and not to label them, but actually in understanding. And we have a terminology. And then we have ways to help those people. Because psychology has come so far along since the 70s, and people's stories have come forward and I truly believe if he was still alive today, he would be somebody that, would be able to speak on this topic.

00:07:53:04 - 00:08:12:10
Michelle Raz
but today we, we look at people that, most definitely he had ADHD. you might find somebody on the spectrum that is brilliant who's, twice exceptional. this is a guy at ten years old that was able to take apart a model T Ford and put it back together for a $10 bet at ten years old.

00:08:12:12 - 00:08:34:06
Michelle Raz
I'm talking like just one of those IQ there is just beyond. but he also got kicked out of high school because he had an impulsive behavior of riding a motorcycle down the hallway of the entire high school and going outside and, you know, flipping off the the principal. And so he got booted right out of there. And that's when he got a psych report done.

00:08:34:08 - 00:09:01:15
Michelle Raz
so his behavior was impulsive. It was unique. he used to do drag races outside of the city of Portland and told the police, I've got this completely under control. We've got everything mastered, mind with safety in mind. And who's coming in is regulated. And this was his mentality, but he just didn't follow the rules. but it was perfectly orchestrated if he would have gotten the proper licensing someplace.

00:09:01:16 - 00:09:12:14
Michelle Raz
So he was unconventional. But, you know, like I said in the paper in the 70s, they termed him the maverick, that it just very unconventional,

00:09:12:16 - 00:09:16:23
Craig Andrews
So how how long did he, run barges up and down the Columbia River?

00:09:17:00 - 00:09:50:19
Michelle Raz
Yeah, until he, passed. So he did end up having an injury and taking his own life. So, that really impacted me. I mean, obviously growing up with somebody like that in my childhood did, but, young age, 26 years old to witness that and see all of his trials and tribulations and then successes. It was just a hard journey for him, you know, left an impact on me, where I had empathy for that person that is brilliant, capable, but they're misunderstood.

00:09:50:19 - 00:10:18:14
Michelle Raz
And then maybe they have shame because of their weaknesses that they tried to hide. And and for him, some of his weaknesses would come out in anger or, you know, just pushing through, and things without a proper, spelling sequences. He was always taking shortcuts on things. And so, that so after that, I was not at a age where I could run the company, and so we ended up selling it.

00:10:18:16 - 00:10:40:16
Michelle Raz
unfortunately, you know, that that would be a regret. I think nowadays, at 26, I, I didn't have the capacity, but what it did is I left him a mark on me, as I, you know, over the years, analyzed who he was, what he was able to accomplish. And, applied that, in my work. And then my daughter, who was born, was actually diagnosed.

00:10:40:17 - 00:11:17:12
Michelle Raz
This is when I got to learn about ADHD, and I really started to dig in to these different types of mental illnesses, and diagnosis, through the DSM at the time for and it all the dots connected for me and I and people would come to me for advice for things. And I wondered, you know, I started to reflect on how I was that person that came to is because I had a lifetime of this, witnessing these people and championing behind them and knowing that they had these successes in them hidden.

00:11:17:14 - 00:11:26:02
Michelle Raz
But how to get those out. And I was always had advice for people, and I would be upset when people didn't take the advice. So with my end up, I.

00:11:26:04 - 00:11:31:09
Craig Andrews
Yeah. let me pause real quick, say through a phrase, Dsm-v for.

00:11:31:11 - 00:11:49:07
Michelle Raz
Oh, sorry, that's a mental health, mental wellness. manual for all the, diagnosis is. And so ADHD is in there autism, anxiety, depression. So it's a medical, book that you people use for your diagnosis. Yeah.

00:11:49:09 - 00:11:55:00
Craig Andrews
So it's kind of like a encyclopedia of mental disorders.

00:11:55:05 - 00:12:04:05
Michelle Raz
Yeah. And then they change it quite a bit, like I think we're on five now. And so as we learn about things, that's what the medical field uses. Yeah.

00:12:04:07 - 00:12:26:23
Craig Andrews
Okay. All right. Yeah. Thanks. Yes. So, Yeah. No. Please continue. So that. So anyway, that. I mean, what the. I'm still kind of reeling from that. I mean, that just had to be traumatic from so many angles. I mean, one, I'm just so incredibly sad that you lost your dad that way.

00:12:27:00 - 00:12:59:17
Michelle Raz
Yeah. Thank you. It was a tough time at 26 years old. It definitely set me back. And, at the time, it just, I was living in Colorado and I went on a lot of hikes. I hiked 14, 14 years of my life, and I think I hiked quite a bit in those first few years. And a lot of, just retrospection and what I wanted to do and what, you know, where I fit, what were my strengths in life because that was a thing is, I think throughout my life I always, champion, you know, you champion behind your family, right?

00:12:59:17 - 00:13:20:22
Michelle Raz
Your parents. And you know what they're really good at. And and you're loyal to them. And so I was loyal to him. But I also was. Why? And knew he was troubled. He had a lot of troubles along the way. and so now it was due to an injury. was actually he shattered his temporal and injury, and he wasn't.

00:13:20:23 - 00:13:39:15
Michelle Raz
He was such a strong being. He wasn't going to go through the testing and that he made it to one round of testing and didn't make it to the second round of testing. but, the impact it had on me is, knowing one that you if you set your mind to something, you can do it. And that was one thing you take away from him.

00:13:39:17 - 00:14:04:12
Michelle Raz
I don't know if I can, you know, he he just had this these very strong opinions about, Don't ever say no, I couldn't as a child. I couldn't say can't, I can't. That just was not in the vocabulary. and so I carried that through that with my own children. and then when my daughter was diagnosed with ADHD, I, of course, I champion for her strengths, and she has amazing strengths.

00:14:04:14 - 00:14:27:03
Michelle Raz
but at the time, we didn't know. And so I started really diving into what with what was this ADHD? What? How come nobody knows about it? Nobody can help. but I know her strengths. And so I used to say, your own, best advocate is yourself. For yourself, for your student, for for your kid. And that's what drove me with her to really dig in with that.

00:14:27:09 - 00:14:48:06
Michelle Raz
And then I'll just kind of go on with her. So I was able to obviously grow up with this empathy. I was able to reflect on this man that was a maverick and amazing in his capabilities. But what could he have been? How much more could he have been? and if he could have had the right support around him.

00:14:48:08 - 00:15:09:02
Michelle Raz
And so I looked at my daughter the same way of saying, what kind of support can she have to be the best she can be? I used to say her to her, we had horses and whatnot, and we were in, you know, for age and gym and all these different things in Colorado growing up. And I say, you know, hit your cell, hit your wagon to a star, just constantly do that.

00:15:09:02 - 00:15:32:06
Michelle Raz
And that's what I say to my clients, whether you're a corporate client or, in the academic coaching client, be the best you can be. And, and with the right support in place, you can live your life to the fullest potential you have. Which brought me to how I wrote my book, happiness, Passion and Purpose. Because, people say, well, I don't know, where do I start?

00:15:32:06 - 00:15:44:24
Michelle Raz
What do I do? And and so then that kind of rolled into writing a book and, and so now I'm just immersed in the field of helping people, which the terminology neuron divergent comes up.

00:15:45:01 - 00:15:46:06
Craig Andrews
Yeah. What's that mean?

00:15:46:08 - 00:16:08:23
Michelle Raz
Okay. So the decline and tell and I would say my father was neurodivergent. My daughter is neurodivergent. And you can say, well gosh, we're all neurodivergent. Here is the difference. And neurotypical person, we all have our normal ups and downs in life, right? The neurotypicals ups and downs are the smaller waves, the neurodivergent, the really good at something.

00:16:09:00 - 00:16:43:22
Michelle Raz
And then when they're not, they're not. And so it in it impacts their ability to live their life to the fullest, to interact on a daily basis. And so through that they either get rejected, they are misunderstood. They if they are in a job, they can get fired, demoted or overlooked for promotion. If you are a C-suite person, which I work one on one with a lot of C-suite people, and they're they feel like they're faking it, and it's all they can do to show up, to put that mask on for their job.

00:16:43:24 - 00:17:04:02
Michelle Raz
And then they go home and they're either working at home because they're weaknesses that, you know, they were hiding those weaknesses at work and they have to do it at home. or they, they come home and they're just exhausted, which feeds into the their mental wellness, to either be putting a mask on at work or feeling that they are not good.

00:17:04:02 - 00:17:28:05
Michelle Raz
And if they missed that deadline, they forgot that meeting. They're disorganized and they, prioritize the wrong thing. They went down a rabbit hole. And we all have those typically those, tendencies from time to time when we have stressors in life or not feeling good. But the neurodivergent, person that is truly, you know, has an official diagnosis, it's more extreme.

00:17:28:07 - 00:18:00:00
Craig Andrews
So one of the things that strikes me as I'm listening, you know, we, you know, and leaders and legacies, we're really focused on a lot of entrepreneurs, a lot of people who, run their own business. one of the traits that I know is common amongst them is, I don't know if I'm, I don't know if they'd be classified as neurodivergent, but I know that a lot of business owners are disproportionately, let's just say they don't fit in the standard bucket.

00:18:00:02 - 00:18:04:06
Craig Andrews
I mean, I'll even give you an example. Are you familiar with a company called one 800 Gut Junk?

00:18:04:07 - 00:18:05:01
Michelle Raz
Yeah.

00:18:05:03 - 00:18:35:15
Craig Andrews
Yeah. it's run by Brian Skidmore. And, he's a son of attorneys. And as you can imagine, it was quite the, disappointment to his attorney father when Brian dropped out of school and he went off and bought a dumpy old pickup truck and, started hauling junk. It turns out that he's dyslexic, and he didn't understand that, and he just couldn't thrive in the school environment.

00:18:35:15 - 00:18:44:02
Craig Andrews
And so. And now when 800 got junk, I'm not sure exactly where they are. If if they haven't crossed the billion dollar mark, they're getting close to it.

00:18:44:04 - 00:18:46:24
Michelle Raz
congratulations out there. Hey. Wow.

00:18:46:24 - 00:18:59:02
Craig Andrews
But I would imagine there's a number of people listening that kind of resonate with what you're saying. Have you seen this common amongst entrepreneurs?

00:18:59:04 - 00:19:19:15
Michelle Raz
Absolutely, 100%. I just started smiling when you said that. I like whoever you could have been, my client, you you can still be my client today out there. Yes. And that's the thing, is that, these people don't fit the mold. Dyslexia is another, you know, avenue. The clients that I've worked with, either, you know, a lot of them will come in as dyslexic.

00:19:19:17 - 00:19:35:11
Michelle Raz
or the late adults diagnosed ADHD. They just found out they're autistic. You know, they've been functioning, and now they're 45 years old, 50 years old and realized, wow, I'm on the spectrum. And I'm like, you know, so so what we do is you talk about how did you manage that through your life? What did that feel like?

00:19:35:11 - 00:19:54:13
Michelle Raz
And here's the thing. If you get the diagnosis early and you get the intervention early, you know, it's like, what do you do then? Okay, so what I know, but then you get to understand how what is your strength. So what was the strength that came out of being dyslexic or this guy, this story? Wait, he got junk?

00:19:54:15 - 00:20:19:08
Michelle Raz
What does that strength. And you feed on that? And then where are the challenges? And I'll tell you what happens so much with the clients that come to me that are adults with this is over the years, they've had to, create their own strategies to be successful. And through those working through those strategies become strengths that can actually probably help them be successful.

00:20:19:08 - 00:20:58:23
Michelle Raz
But the damage in the self-esteem along the way is substantial. And, I think that is it. Like, I know, like in ADHD, it's something like 30 something percent higher risk of, drug abuse and, suicide tendencies. because of the cumulative, you know, probably cumulative, you know, I would say PTSD in the, in the way of just the shame and not fitting in and just having to, you know, that that sitting around in a square box thing and then finally they get up on their own and somehow some of them make it and they figure it out.

00:20:58:24 - 00:21:24:13
Michelle Raz
But so many don't. and so and if they do figure it out, they're struggling while they're figuring out it takes them twice as long to do something. they are constantly forgetting things. And so this is when my program comes in and it is proven to work. My clients stay with me for a long time when they to find me and they're like, wow, oh my gosh.

00:21:24:15 - 00:21:43:24
Michelle Raz
so yes, what you're saying is so true. So many entrepreneurs out there, you know, my father being an entrepreneur, I'm an entrepreneur. I've been I've, I've never really had a conventional job. I, you know, I think maybe five years of my life, but. And my daughter is an entrepreneur now. She's now a very successful adult.

00:21:43:24 - 00:22:13:14
Michelle Raz
She barely graduated high school. She went to college. That wasn't for her. She dropped out. She got an associate degree. She's an amazing, entrepreneur now. Or who just won an award in the town she lives in for being the best in her profession. you know. So how did that come about? Well, you know, I was championing behind her, telling her to hitch her wagon to a star that you were, you know, really focusing on the strengths and she also, you know, struggles in some areas, like in math and so on.

00:22:13:14 - 00:22:32:22
Michelle Raz
Like in this day and age, who cares about math? You're going to, you know, use your bookkeeper, use the digital assets. And so that's what's that about is, really focusing on what your assets are, what what it is. And don't worry about what you can't do. Get rid of the word can't. And let's find a strategy to go around that.

00:22:32:24 - 00:22:47:04
Michelle Raz
And so when you look at that, when we talk about people that we work with, like a lot of entrepreneurs will have a lot of emotional regulation issues. A lot of it's kind of that baggage from the base. It's frustrating. And not being able to do something the way they their brain knows it needs to be done.

00:22:47:04 - 00:23:09:12
Michelle Raz
They're brilliant people. And that's the thing is that I was really advocating, you know, through my dad, I'm like, brilliant, but you're not successful in certain areas, you know, because of these challenges around, you know, whether it's ADHD or autism or dyslexic. but that's okay because we have some strategies to help you with that.

00:23:09:14 - 00:23:36:06
Craig Andrews
You know, I heard something years ago that in Silicon Valley, a common practice was microdosing LSD. And and they they did it. It wasn't something they were doing recreationally. It was something they were doing because they felt they had to just be able to perform in their job. Oh yeah. Because was that, by any chance, does that resonate with things that you've seen as a way of trying to cope with skills?

00:23:36:06 - 00:23:46:17
Craig Andrews
Because, I mean, Silicon Valley, I think, you know, I think there's a lot of A.D.D. in that world. I think it, you know, it naturally draws some of those traits.

00:23:46:23 - 00:24:07:17
Michelle Raz
I'm just laughing at you because I'm actually going there tomorrow because they have a big pitch event, and I've been going there because, you know, I have raised coaching, which is my corporate coaching and whatnot. and then I have Thrivers through which I, you know, helped, founder, co-founder of that. And anyway, trying to, look for investors.

00:24:07:17 - 00:24:26:13
Michelle Raz
But anyway, so I've been going there looking for investors with that. And the first time I went there, I was like, oh, I got home. I love these people. I love the energy because that's what I do. That's what going around. And so whether they are, they aren't, I'm like, you guys are awesome. You're the ones with the great ideas changing the world.

00:24:26:13 - 00:24:50:21
Michelle Raz
And hey, you all could use my services. I can help you with your business. So here's my card. no. but back to your point. That's just ironic that I'm literally going there tomorrow. you know, these people tend to think out of the box anyway. They probably don't need, a microdose. But I've certainly heard of people tell their staff taking it to get into a creative thinking mode.

00:24:50:23 - 00:25:11:03
Michelle Raz
and so if there was any place on earth, it might be Austin, Portland and Silicon Valley, I don't know. Now I'm stereotyping. no, I, I don't run into that a lot. And the professionals that work with me, they would be it would be a safe place to tell me that they were doing that. but I'm not hearing that.

00:25:11:05 - 00:25:34:21
Michelle Raz
usually the people that are working with me don't. They have some kind of, addiction that they might be also working with and, they really want to focus on their careers. And so we might have a piece of coaching around that accountable around that, because I'm not a therapist. I'm not a psychiatrist. but I can hold them accountable to what they're supposed to be doing.

00:25:34:23 - 00:25:53:01
Michelle Raz
and then we we do a lot with the corporate, and helping them think. And that's the thing is that a lot of the people that I work with have these amazing ideas, and they can and I help them harness them. and what I say to people, I don't want to run over here too much as I could go on forever.

00:25:53:01 - 00:26:22:05
Michelle Raz
Is that, you have a tree? We each have our own tree in life. So these great ideas you have, does that feed your tree? Is that going to make your tree this big, beautiful, massive tree? Or are you just going to have a bunch of seedlings everywhere? And so I my job is to help harness these amazing ideas and then show them the steps they need to take to get to it, whether it be expanding the business, going up a promotion, maintaining the job so you don't get fired.

00:26:22:07 - 00:26:35:11
Michelle Raz
or an entrepreneur that wants to grow a business, helping them stay true to their own tree root system that's going to, you know, really grow. So, I use that analogy a lot.

00:26:35:13 - 00:26:56:16
Craig Andrews
so I this is all so fascinating. I unfortunately, we kind of need to wrap up, but yeah, let me ask this if if there is somebody listening that resonated with what you were saying, what are what would be the first three steps that you recommend they take on their own. And then obviously, you know what we're going to recommend that they reach out to you.

00:26:56:16 - 00:26:57:20
Craig Andrews
But for somebody.

00:26:57:20 - 00:27:00:21
Michelle Raz
And start with that.

00:27:00:23 - 00:27:13:17
Craig Andrews
But somebody that, you know, there are there are people that are like, I don't know. You know, they if somebody resonates with what you're saying, what would be three things that you would have them do. Yeah. Tomorrow.

00:27:13:19 - 00:27:41:05
Michelle Raz
Yeah. So if you're that person out there and you've got great ideas and you're all over the place and you've got a notebook just full of ideas or papers everywhere with ideas and nothing ever comes of it. I would say to you, use your computer, I love Google Kate's and because that's one one pieces. So get organized and with your thoughts and put it in one place.

00:27:41:07 - 00:28:07:24
Michelle Raz
And then look at those and then find out what is your passion, what do you what aligns with who you are and excites you? What resonates with your mind? Hey, I can make a lot of money with this. This part I got, I've always wanted to do it in your gut. this feels like it's me. And then if you can hone in on that and you can narrow it down to all these different ideas, then the third thing is have somebody hold you accountable.

00:28:08:01 - 00:28:19:11
Michelle Raz
So find what it is. Make a plan. Because these people I work with are brilliant and they they know how to, you know, the plans. But then hold yourself accountable.

00:28:19:13 - 00:28:24:10
Craig Andrews
Okay. And obviously if somebody wanted to reach out to you, how how did they find you?

00:28:24:16 - 00:28:38:15
Michelle Raz
Sure. I'm on LinkedIn in a big way. I post a lot, so go look me up on LinkedIn. I think it's coach Michelle Rouse. but, you know, or email me Michelle at Raz coaching.com.

00:28:38:17 - 00:28:55:06
Craig Andrews
All right. Well, Michelle, this has been absolutely amazing and I think valuable again you know our audience is entrepreneurs. And I'm sure there are people listening that this really resonates with. And I just want to thank you for being on leaders and Legacies.

00:28:55:08 - 00:29:00:22
Michelle Raz
Well thank you so much. And always remember don't say can't. You can.

00:29:00:24 - 00:29:01:04
Craig Andrews
Write.