Alan Lazaros is a leadership guru and the driving force behind Next Level University. Lazaros shares his transformative journey from a life-threatening car accident to redefining success and leadership. Emphasizing the significance of legacy, Lazaros articulates his belief in creating a positive impact that transcends one's lifespan.

His approach to leadership, shaped by personal trials and a commitment to personal growth, underscores the challenge and fulfillment of guiding a diverse, global team in a virtual setting. Lazaros's narrative is a testament to the power of resilience, the importance of aligning actions with core values, and the relentless pursuit of meaningful contribution. His story encourages leaders to embrace their vulnerabilities, lead with authenticity, and foster environments that cultivate potential.

Want to learn more about Alan's work? Check out their website at https://www.nextleveluniverse.com.

Connect with Alan on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/alanlazarosllc.

Key Points with Time Stamps

• Introduction to Alan Lazaros' leadership philosophy (00:01:23)
• The significance of legacy and personal growth (00:01:44)
• Challenges of leading a global, virtual team (00:02:45)
• The essence of meaningful leadership and communication (00:04:06)
• Transformative personal experiences and their impact on leadership (00:06:43)
• Holistic success: Health, Wealth, and Love (00:09:05)
• The importance of fulfillment over happiness in leadership (00:25:02)

Transcript

00;00;51;10 - 00;01;21;07
Craig Andrews
Today I want to welcome Alan Lazaros Alan leads a global team at Next Level University. He also has Next Level University podcast. He's given hundreds of trainings all over the world and happily completed thousands of one on one coaching calls with clients. And his goal is to help people achieve their next level of life, love, health and wealth.

00;01;21;10 - 00;01;23;27
Craig Andrews
Alan, welcome to Leaders and Legacies.

00;01;23;29 - 00;01;44;00
Alan Lazaros
Thank you so much for having me. legacy is my number one core value. I actually have it written on my desktop background. Legacy is a deep belief in creating a long term positive impact far beyond one's own life. and I think that came from when my father passed away. He left a legacy that I noticed from a very young age.

00;01;44;02 - 00;01;54;03
Alan Lazaros
and I think that this is going to be a great conversation because legacy is super important to me, and leadership is my biggest challenge.

00;01;54;05 - 00;02;00;11
Craig Andrews
Leadership's biggest challenge.

00;02;00;13 - 00;02;02;28
Craig Andrews
How so?

00;02;03;01 - 00;02;20;29
Alan Lazaros
I think it's the most rewarding work in the world. I think that, I often joke, I, I used to be a leader in the wrong way. I would host the parties in high school and college and that kind of thing. And, you know, after a quarter life crisis that I had, I got in a tough car accident.

00;02;21;01 - 00;02;45;16
Alan Lazaros
I decided to lead from a personal growth place from the inside out rather than the outside in. And, leadership is my biggest challenge because I currently lead a 21 person team that is entirely global. It's entirely virtual. I've met many of my team members in person because we host live events in person every year. But we you know, I've, I've met one of my one of my team members, been with us for five years.

00;02;45;17 - 00;03;16;11
Alan Lazaros
I've only met him once in person. And so we're a completely virtual company. And it's yeah, it's really challenging to get everyone rowing in the same direction underneath the same flag, so to speak, for the same mission and the same purpose. When we're all unique individuals with all different cultures, all different backgrounds, all different countries, you know, Spain, Italy, Canada, bunch in the Philippines, across the US, West coast, east coast.

00;03;16;14 - 00;03;39;23
Alan Lazaros
And I do believe leadership is the most important skill in the world, which is helping other people maximize their potential and contribution. But I but I think that it's it's the most important, but it's also the most challenging. But I think it's the most meaningful, and it's definitely something I've been called to. Maybe not always in the best way.

00;03;39;25 - 00;04;06;15
Alan Lazaros
but I would say it's my main focus right now. My main focus right now is business leadership and effective communication. And I would say that it's really constantly changing, constantly evolving. I think there's certain principles that land, but I've been kicked in the teeth several times over the last couple of years with team members that I thought would work and didn't, team members that that I thought had tremendous potential, that didn't, and then ones that I didn't really.

00;04;06;15 - 00;04;18;29
Alan Lazaros
You know, expect to stay with us long or to be, you know, rock stars that absolutely were. And so, you know, it's definitely been challenging. But again, the most meaningful thing in the world.

00;04;19;01 - 00;04;29;22
Craig Andrews
Yeah. Well, I want to explore that a little bit more. but let's, let's step back in time. You you mentioned that you were in a car accident. What happened?

00;04;29;24 - 00;04;57;15
Alan Lazaros
So I was 26 years old, and this was this was post-high school post-college. So I did the I did the, like, high school, you know, computer engineering college, MBA, masters in business. And then I went into corporate, a bunch of tech companies, I robots inside of technologies, company called I development. I went to LA for a time, and I eventually ended up at a company called Cognex.

00;04;57;15 - 00;05;23;05
Alan Lazaros
They do industrial machine vision equipment for industrial automation. And I used to I did inside sales engineer. And then, you know, started a team there. And then I did outside sales engineer. And I own my own own. I manage my own territory. And so I was, you know, driving all around western New England, Connecticut, Vermont, western mass, in my early 20s, mid-twenties.

00;05;23;05 - 00;05;44;24
Alan Lazaros
I'm 26 years old. I've been working at Cognex and I'm not loving it, but I make really good money. At this point. I paid off all my school debt. I'm I definitely am living sort of, quote unquote, the American dream. I'm definitely living the life that I had hoped to. I achieved most of my dreams at that point, and I was on my way to try to, you know, climb the corporate ladder.

00;05;44;24 - 00;06;03;03
Alan Lazaros
And eventually my focus was to become a CEO of a tech company like my hero at the time, Steve Jobs. And I've since, you know, not wanted to necessarily be associated or disassociated with Steve. But the point the point is, is that back then that was my dream. I'm up in New Hampshire with my little cousin. We had just gotten done playing some video games.

00;06;03;03 - 00;06;24;21
Alan Lazaros
He's 17. We weren't drinking or partying or anything like that. We were going to TGI Fridays and I. It was the really bad winter in 2016 when in New Hampshire, the snow banks were covering the signs, and so I was at a through intersection. I was supposed to yield and I didn't. Entirely my fault. And I end up looking up from the GPS and I see the brightest lights.

00;06;24;21 - 00;06;43;06
Alan Lazaros
I thought it was a mack Mack truck, and I thought for certain it was a mack truck, and I thought for certain that was it, because it's ten feet in front of me. Nothing I could do, just head on collision. Fortunately, it wasn't a mack truck. It was actually a live ticketed pickup truck. And, my car was absolutely totaled.

00;06;43;06 - 00;07;03;13
Alan Lazaros
But both airbags did deploy. Me and my cousin were physically okay, but, mentally, emotionally and spiritually. This really messed me up. And the reason why underneath it, he's 17. He was tweeting about it. He he seemed fine. I was super rattled because my father died in a car accident when he was 28 and I was two, so I was two years old and he was 28, and he died in a car accident.

00;07;03;13 - 00;07;22;19
Alan Lazaros
And I'm I'm 26. At the time of my car accident, and I've seen the pictures of my dad's car, and the pictures of mine don't look very different. So for me, that was really whoa. Like, instead of that could have been it. It was, it was. That almost should have been it. Thank you. I drove a 2004 Volkswagen Passat.

00;07;22;19 - 00;07;46;02
Alan Lazaros
I used to call this German engineer that I used to call it the tank steel. Steel car. That that car saved my life for sure. For sure. Well, so after that, I just questioned my whole life, I questioned everything, I questioned my goals, I questioned my dreams. I questioned my core values. I questioned who I was as a man, who I wanted to be as a man.

00;07;46;02 - 00;08;19;00
Alan Lazaros
Everything. And I had all these regrets. And so and so, after that, I. I found personal growth, I found self-improvement, I, I found personal development. Tony Robbins has a Ted talk that I found that was just ten out of ten aligned for me of woe. You know, why do we do what we do? And it was my first deep dive going all the way to the core of who I am rather than, you know, this sort of I'm supposed to be successful as an American male or whatever, right?

00;08;19;02 - 00;08;43;15
Alan Lazaros
And so I used to say this, all right, I say this now, I used to be successful from the outside in, you know, beautiful girlfriend and top 1% earner, not not networth, but earner globally, nearly 200 grand a year. Paid off all my school debt, you know, that kind of thing to. After that car accident, I flipped the script and I went all the way back to broke.

00;08;43;18 - 00;09;01;03
Alan Lazaros
Broke entrepreneur. And, nine years later, I'm very pleased to say that I'm now successful from the inside out. and that's, I think, in many ways, the growth journey we all go on, but Inside Out is way better for sure.

00;09;01;05 - 00;09;05;11
Craig Andrews
And what's what does it mean to be successful inside out?

00;09;05;13 - 00;09;30;01
Alan Lazaros
The first is holistic. The word holistic, you know, at Next Level University, my company, we talk about health, wealth and love. You mentioned that in the opening. I didn't want to be healthy but not wealthy. I didn't want to be wealthy, but not healthy because I had some mentors early on, multi-millionaires, very successful tech companies or stuff. And I would see that they they weren't healthy, they weren't physically in shape.

00;09;30;01 - 00;09;54;00
Alan Lazaros
They they weren't super fulfilled. You know, their marriages weren't great. So so I think health, wealth and love is what it means to be successful from the inside out. And more importantly, and this is kind of the main focal point of my work, even though it doesn't seem that way, is fulfillment to me. The two biggest teachers in the world is fulfillment and regret.

00;09;54;02 - 00;10;16;09
Alan Lazaros
And so we talk about leadership. I think self leadership is constantly dancing between fulfillment and regret when you are fulfilled. I believe that is when you are in your calling, whatever that is for you. And to make that practical, it means you're doing work that is meaningful to you doesn't mean you love every day. It doesn't mean every day you're excited.

00;10;16;09 - 00;10;34;15
Alan Lazaros
It means that you're fulfilled and that it's meaningful. And then regret is when you're outside of alignment, you're outside of alignment with your core values. For the longest time, I would party and then I'd be hung over and I'd regret it. And I think that was kind of my highest self saying, Alan, you've got to stop. You've got to stop this.

00;10;34;15 - 00;11;00;25
Alan Lazaros
This is not who you want to be. This is not aligned. And eventually I finally answered that and started living in alignment. And I'm still doing that today. I mean, even right before this interview, you wanted to make sure we were aligned. And I respect and appreciate that tremendously because that's what leadership is. Self leadership is making sure that your actions and your words and your beliefs and your core values and your and your goals are all aligned.

00;11;00;28 - 00;11;26;07
Alan Lazaros
And no one's perfect, but you can get more and more and more aligned. I'm more aligned now at 35 than I was at 34. I was I'm way more aligned than I was in high school, you know, and I think that that's hopefully the growth journey we're all on. And I always whenever I do speeches or trainings or workshops, I always ask, you know, can anyone here think of a really dumb idea they had in high school and everyone's hand goes right up?

00;11;26;07 - 00;11;43;13
Alan Lazaros
It's not hard. We were all dumb. We didn't know what we were doing. We didn't have any guidance. We're all young and naïve, but that doesn't mean we were bad or that we should shame ourselves. It just means we've gotten smarter, you know? And I said, think of something you did in high school that you would never do again.

00;11;43;13 - 00;12;03;02
Alan Lazaros
And everyone has one. Everyone, including myself. I said, okay, why wouldn't you do that again? You now understand the long term consequences of that choice. You're now smarter, wiser. You have more knowledge, more awareness, more understanding. You understand yourself, the world, and other people more than you used to. And so that's what effective decision making is. That's what leadership is.

00;12;03;02 - 00;12;14;05
Alan Lazaros
That's what self leadership is. And that's what I think fulfillment comes from. So, what it means to be successful from the inside out is strictly just in a simple one word. It's fulfillment.

00;12;14;08 - 00;12;34;13
Craig Andrews
You know, very cool. And so, Now, you mentioned that you've got a team all over the world, and I guess, you know, a few questions come to mind. How how did you recruit this team? Why are they all over the world? What's it look like?

00;12;34;16 - 00;12;56;19
Alan Lazaros
So we started a podcast called the Hyper Conscious Podcast seven years ago. coming up on seven years ago. So six years ago, he was March of 2017. And at the beginning we were just hiring from the community, from our listeners. You know, Brandon's been with us for five years, and he's one of our core team members. And he he's been with us.

00;12;56;23 - 00;13;15;05
Alan Lazaros
He was just a listener. And we reached out to the community and said, hey, does anyone want an opportunity? And so it really started there. And they just happened to be global. Yeah. So Brandon lives in Illinois. You know, we had one team member who's in Spain. She was listening from Spain. And so that's kind of how that happened globally.

00;13;15;08 - 00;13;32;27
Alan Lazaros
And and then we've also got some freelancers, contract workers on Upwork and stuff like that, but it just kind of grew from there. But the majority of our team came from within the actual through line of what the podcast was about. In the podcast back then, it was called the Hyper Conscious Podcast. It was changed the way you think.

00;13;32;27 - 00;13;54;21
Alan Lazaros
Change the way you act changed the way you live. And it was the idea of hyper conscious. If you look it up and on Google, it says to be acutely aware, self-aware, aware of the world, how it works, why it works that way. And we would just contemplate very existential and for anyone listening now, they could probably tell I'm constantly contemplating myself, the world, you know what it all means?

00;13;54;21 - 00;14;14;14
Alan Lazaros
How to how to be better, how to do better. but essentially that's what the through line is. And I didn't realize until later that all of us have a similar core value, just personal growth, and we all have a similar core wound. And that's been fascinating. And the core wound, believe it or not, is actually low self-worth.

00;14;14;16 - 00;14;32;14
Alan Lazaros
And that I didn't know I didn't expect that. but a lot of our team members in hindsight now have like really high self-efficacy and self-belief. They believe in themselves a lot, but they don't they don't feel super worthy. And so they're the opposite of entitled. They're willing to work. They're very much the diamonds in the rough. Our listeners are.

00;14;32;14 - 00;15;06;15
Alan Lazaros
And I didn't expect that Kevin and I are to when we first started, a couple bodybuilder bros, we thought it was going to be men. It's primarily women. our listeners are all over the world, you know, 80% women. And high self-belief, low self-worth. But they are into personal growth, holistic personal growth. And so the cool part about having your own community that you can hire from within, I want the team to be if you're listening to our podcast every day, you obviously are aligned with our core values and our core aspirations.

00;15;06;15 - 00;15;28;12
Alan Lazaros
You're obviously aligned with the mission. You obviously believe that, you know, helping people have bigger, better, brighter futures is is important. And, you know, forever. I want to I want to make sure the team grows from the community. And I'm still I mean, the next person we're looking at. Her name is Nicole. she's from within the community as well.

00;15;28;15 - 00;15;33;15
Craig Andrews
And this is your latest podcast, The Next Level University podcast.

00;15;33;18 - 00;15;46;23
Alan Lazaros
Yeah. Okay. So Hyper Conscious was rebranded eventually to Next Level University back in 2019. We rebranded it. But it's the same. It's the same train so to speak.

00;15;46;26 - 00;15;51;13
Craig Andrews
And

00;15;51;15 - 00;16;00;21
Craig Andrews
So what what type of what type of people find meaning there. What who do you find. You know, coming to next level university.

00;16;00;23 - 00;16;25;22
Alan Lazaros
I think people who they're just usually they're in pain. That's one thing that's always been fascinating because we always ask, you know, how did you find us? And usually it's people who feel stuck. this is kind of what we used to say. Our listeners are primarily women who struggle with courage, clarity and confidence, who want to be more fulfilled in their career and their intimate relationship.

00;16;25;25 - 00;16;40;04
Alan Lazaros
And that's that's been fairly true. What we've come to understand about our listeners and we've met them, many of them over the years, many of them are my clients. Many of them are on the team. You know, I've done listener calls for for years. So I'm not just talking. Right. This is these are real people in the real world.

00;16;40;06 - 00;17;05;19
Alan Lazaros
And what I've come to understand now is that our listener is people who struggle with low self-worth, who who need help with the courage and the confidence to to lean into who they really want to be. And it makes sense, because that's really what I needed and what my business partner Kevin needed as well. And, they're looking for guidance.

00;17;05;19 - 00;17;24;18
Alan Lazaros
They're looking for answers. They're they're they're definitely questioning the meaning of life. What's the point? Definitely. And it wasn't till after my car accident that I started to really find these answers. And I think that when we're in a lot of pain, we're looking for answers. We're open, we're humble, we're curious. You know, our ego is driving. The Phenix has kind of burnt down.

00;17;24;20 - 00;17;28;11
Alan Lazaros
And that's usually when our listeners find us.

00;17;28;13 - 00;17;33;27
Craig Andrews
Yeah. So what would you say the meaning of life is?

00;17;34;00 - 00;17;57;20
Alan Lazaros
that that's one that I've contemplated ever since I was a kid. I used to I my mom, one time, she was very, very angry, a little frustrated. She said, why does being, why does being intelligent matter so much to you? You know, and, I'm a computer engineer, and I've always been very intellectual, and she's like, why isn't it enough to just be nice?

00;17;57;23 - 00;18;20;14
Alan Lazaros
And it was kind of a techie. And I know at the time I thought that was really ignorant, but now I understand. And I remember saying my my young 20 year old version of this was because I looked around and I grew up in, I playfully call it the Boulevard of Broken Dreams. It's a small town. I mean, just miserable human beings.

00;18;20;14 - 00;18;40;16
Alan Lazaros
And I looked around and marriage scared me because I couldn't find a good one. You know, my mom and stepdad didn't get along. a lot of people went to jobs they hated. I mean, it really was. It was. It was just suburban, unfulfilled land. At least to me. That's what it felt like. And, even saying that is scary, but I just got to call a spade a spade.

00;18;40;16 - 00;18;59;13
Alan Lazaros
It was it was not great. And so I looked around and I thought, this, this can't be it. Like, this cannot be it. This is not this is not it for me. I can't let this happen. Right. And so this was my answer. And keep in mind, this is my 20 year old version, sort of more, more egocentric.

00;18;59;13 - 00;19;23;15
Alan Lazaros
Back then I said, I'm trying to figure out the formula to not end up old and miserable like everybody else. And so what do I think the meaning of life is? I think it's. I think it's figuring out how to how to maximize the meaning of your life. so I used to sell industrial equipment. I had $12,000 checks every other week.

00;19;23;15 - 00;19;42;24
Alan Lazaros
I was in my early 20s. I had no bills, no kids. You know, it was just insane. I had 150 grand in an investment account. I just kept companies and money and parties and fun. But it was meaningless. It was not a meaningful life. And so now I don't have nearly as much fun, quite frankly. But it's so much more meaningful.

00;19;42;26 - 00;20;00;21
Alan Lazaros
And I can look in the mirror and I can be proud of who I am, and I can be proud of being the man that I would have needed. You know, growing up, I didn't have a dad or a male role model. So how do you make your life more meaningful? I think that's the the purpose of life.

00;20;00;23 - 00;20;08;12
Craig Andrews
Yeah. And you mentioned that your dad passed away. how old were you when he passed away.

00;20;08;15 - 00;20;09;17
Alan Lazaros
two.

00;20;09;19 - 00;20;12;13
Craig Andrews
Two. Wow.

00;20;12;15 - 00;20;18;17
Alan Lazaros
Yeah, he was 28. My mom was 31. My sister was six.

00;20;18;20 - 00;20;23;13
Craig Andrews
So you had no role model from then on?

00;20;23;15 - 00;20;45;13
Alan Lazaros
I never got along with my stepdad at all, so I wouldn't consider him a male role model. I would say my mom was a role model to an extent. it's been tough to realize that it wasn't always leading by example. And I had some of my friends fathers that I would consider role models, but and this is just the hard truth of it, and this is scary to share.

00;20;45;13 - 00;21;07;11
Alan Lazaros
But I rewatched the movie of my life. I have a really good memory. I'm very grateful to have a healthy brain. I remember within reason, pretty much everything, and I don't know if this is true for just me or other people, but I have this Rolodex at all times of I always think of Finding Nemo. It's like when you're older and you watch it again, it's like, oh, I didn't notice that.

00;21;07;14 - 00;21;28;15
Alan Lazaros
Like that. That makes sense. And, you know, I think a true masterpiece is something that gets better as you become more aware. If you read a new book, you notice something in the book you didn't notice before. You're really noticing something in yourself that wasn't there before, you know? And so I rewatched the movie of my life very often, and I just realized more and more and more, oh, okay.

00;21;28;15 - 00;21;46;28
Alan Lazaros
So I didn't really have any guides that knew much, and I understand. I'm educated. I'm very grateful. I did really well in high school. I went to one of the best tech schools in the world. I'm very grateful. So. So please, I say this with humility and gratitude, but honestly, it is alarming how little people knew. It's genuinely alarming.

00;21;46;28 - 00;22;05;20
Alan Lazaros
And the reason I'm obsessed with personal growth is because there was none. Where I grew up, there was none. I mean, it took me 26 years to find personal development. Now, I'm sure there was things around me, you know, but not none of the role models had personal growth as a focus. None of them were focused on getting better as individuals.

00;22;05;20 - 00;22;23;10
Alan Lazaros
None of them were focused on virtue or emotional maturity or emotional intelligence or, you know, any of that. It was pretty much academics are the way go get educated and make good money. And I did I, I fell for it, I did it and it you're right. I made a lot of money and now I'm an engineer and I'm very sought after and I appreciate it.

00;22;23;10 - 00;22;30;13
Alan Lazaros
But the end of the day, that wasn't making me happy or fulfilled for sure. So.

00;22;30;15 - 00;22;44;11
Craig Andrews
so, if somebody were interested in Next Level podcast, how would they or Next Level University, how would they know it's right for them? What are what are the general markers that they should look for?

00;22;44;13 - 00;23;13;29
Alan Lazaros
If you are constantly wondering why other people seem so happy with going through the motions and you're not, then new is probably for you. In other words, if you if you notice that you feel like most people are on autopilot and they're not really questioning things like, what's a good example? Groundhog Day? I mean, I looked it up.

00;23;13;29 - 00;23;29;21
Alan Lazaros
It's just it's just a folklore, 120 year long falsity. It's not rooted in any real science. I if you are so sick and tired of waking up every morning doing the same old thing and wondering why you're not fulfilled, then NLU is for you.

00;23;29;24 - 00;23;36;12
Craig Andrews
No one. And so how do they, how do they find that? How did they find you?

00;23;36;14 - 00;23;56;02
Alan Lazaros
So we have a website. Thank you, I appreciate it. We have a website called Next Level universe.com. The person who's holding next level university.com is asking for way too much money for it. So we just decided to do next level universe.com spelt just like it sounds and next level University. The podcast is on all the platforms we're on YouTube.

00;23;56;04 - 00;24;15;04
Alan Lazaros
we have 1600 episodes. We do an episode every day. The idea is self-improvement, holistic, in your pocket every day from anywhere on the planet. Completely free. And the idea underneath it is get a little bit better each day, get 1% better each day, and eventually your your life will be better and better and better. And it compounds.

00;24;15;06 - 00;24;40;26
Alan Lazaros
So, you know, we show up for the podcast seven days a week, every week. And they're not like five minute episodes either. They're all between 15 and, you know, 35, sometimes 40. but they're all based on personal growth, holistic self-improvement, health, wealth and love. And, you know, the whole mantra is if you get better.

00;24;40;29 - 00;25;02;15
Alan Lazaros
Your future will get bigger, better and brighter, and you'll be more fulfilled. And when you're more fulfilled, the world becomes a better place because fulfilled people don't hurt people. And I think that fulfillment is, I think, what we should all be aiming for. I think we were taught happiness. And it's like, well, what is that? It feels like chasing butterflies, fulfillment, you know, when you have it.

00;25;02;21 - 00;25;22;13
Alan Lazaros
So right now I'm I'm tired. I haven't eaten yet. Today I'm dehydrated. You know, I've been back to back all day on coaching and podcasts, but I'm deeply fulfilled because this is this is what I'm meant to be doing, you know, and I think that I'd rather have that than what I used to do, which is make tons of money and hate my life.

00;25;22;16 - 00;25;42;09
Alan Lazaros
but then pretend I don't. Right. So at the end of the day, as if I got if anyone got any triggered listening to me, ask yourself if you're triggered because of me or if you're triggered because it's true. And hopefully, you know, hopefully something sparks, from this conversation.

00;25;42;11 - 00;25;50;01
Craig Andrews
Well, excellent. Well, Alan, thank you for coming on. Leaders and legacies has been enlightening. And thank you.

00;25;50;03 - 00;26;08;12
Alan Lazaros
You are so very welcome, Craig. I really appreciate it. And, awesome to you were holding space for me really, really well, I appreciate being able to to share my insights and hopefully something helps somebody. Yeah.

00;26;08;12 - 00;26;37;08
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