In this enlightening podcast, Jill Lublin shares her transformative journey from aspiring lawyer to a renowned expert in publicity, networking, and kindness. She dives into the pivotal moments that reshaped her path, highlighting the courage it took to pivot from law to entrepreneurship. Jill's story is a masterclass in leveraging personal challenges for professional growth, emphasizing the power of authenticity and strategic storytelling in building a brand.

Jill's insights on creating impactful publicity, especially in budget-conscious times, offer valuable strategies for anyone looking to elevate their presence in the market. Jill's approach, blending strategic acumen with genuine connection, exemplifies leadership that inspires and mobilizes.

Want to learn more about Jill Lublin's work? Check out their website at https://jilllublin.com/.

Get Jill's free gift here: https://PublicityCrashCourse.com/freegift

Connect with Jill Lublin on LinkedIn at https://linkedin.com/in/jilllublin.

Key Points with Timestamps:

• [00:00:30-00:01:24] Introduction of Jill Lublin, her background, and her books on publicity and kindness.
• [00:01:53-00:02:17] Discussion on Jill's transition from law to entrepreneurship and her approach to publicity.
• [00:08:02-00:09:18] Jill recounts the life-changing accident and its impact on her perspective and career.
• [00:13:33-00:15:41] Insights into how personal challenges can be transformed into professional opportunities.
• [00:16:27-00:18:29] Examples of guerilla publicity tactics and the importance of using personal stories.
• [00:22:38-00:24:06] Recommendations for PR strategies in a tight economic environment.
• [00:24:10-00:25:12] Jill offers a free publicity action guide and masterclass, highlighting the value of continuous learning and adaptability in leadership.

Transcript

00;00;00;00 - 00;00;30;20
Craig Andrews
I was in a coma for six weeks while the doctors told my wife I was going to die. When I woke up, she told me the most fantastic story. My team kept running the business without me. Freelancers reached out to my team and said, we will do whatever it takes. As long as Craig's in the hospital. I consider that the greatest accomplishment of my career.

00;00;30;23 - 00;00;51;10
Craig Andrews
My name is Craig Andrews and this is the Leaders and Legacies podcast where we talk to leaders creating an impact beyond themselves. At the end of today's interview, I'll tell you how you can be the next leader featured on the show.

00;00;51;10 - 00;01;24;22
Craig Andrews
Today I want to welcome Jill Lublin. Jill is an international speaker on the topics of publicity, networking, kindness, and referrals. She's authored four books. Oh my goodness, that's a lot. Getting noticed or getting noticed. Get referrals by McGraw Hill. She's coauthoring guerilla publicity and networking magic, and her latest book, Prophet of Kindness, went number 1 in 4 different categories.

00;01;24;24 - 00;01;52;29
Craig Andrews
Jill is a master strategist on how to position your business for more profitable and more visible visibility in the marketplace. She is a CEO of a strategic consulting firm and has over 25 years of experience working with over 100,000 people, plus, national and international media. Jill teaches a virtual publicity bootcamp. By the way, we're going to have a free resource.

00;01;53;01 - 00;02;13;13
Craig Andrews
Stay tuned. There's going to be a free resource about that. But, free publicity bootcamp and consults and speaks all over the world. She has spoken on many stages with luminaries such as Tony Robbins. Jill also leads a conscious kindness community. Jill, welcome.

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Jill Lublin
Thank you. Craig, I'm delighted to be here with you.

00;02;17;14 - 00;02;42;22
Craig Andrews
you know, we've chatted, over a few months, gotten to know you, and, been looking forward to this interview. And you mentioned something that kind of struck me interesting. You you set off. So you're in San Francisco now, or you're the Bay area, and now you're in Bay area. But you started off in Detroit and you set out to become a lawyer.

00;02;42;25 - 00;02;45;12
Jill Lublin
Yes, I did.

00;02;45;15 - 00;02;47;04
Craig Andrews
Did you succeed?

00;02;47;07 - 00;03;10;04
Jill Lublin
Well, you know, I was all gung ho. In fact, honestly, from the time I was young, I wanted to be an attorney. But first of all, nobody in my. And nobody in my, family graduated university. So that in and of itself was a major accomplishment to graduate undergrad and then I thought, that going to law school would be like, really a next step and opportunity to really help people.

00;03;10;04 - 00;03;33;00
Jill Lublin
I saw it as a way to be a problem solver and, and make a difference. And then I got to law school. And so honestly, being in law school, it was, for me, very boring, very linear. I'm more of a much more expansive creative thinker. And law school is not the place for that. and it just wasn't the right environment for me.

00;03;33;00 - 00;03;52;07
Jill Lublin
So I dropped out in the first year. Now, understand, Craig, I don't you know, I've never been a woman who dropped out of anything. I mean, you know, I was always did well in school and always very involved in programs and projects. So I felt like a failure, like dropping out of law school. And, there was a bit of that.

00;03;52;07 - 00;04;07;19
Jill Lublin
What would I call it? you know, kind of a judgment around that. And I remember my father saying to me, who was very disappointed too. He said, well, what are you going to do? And I said, I'm going to be an entrepreneur.

00;04;07;21 - 00;04;09;12
Craig Andrews
Wow.

00;04;09;14 - 00;04;13;00
Jill Lublin
so, you know, perfecting that art.

00;04;13;02 - 00;04;22;28
Craig Andrews
So you mentioned law school was linear and and I mean, what's oh, let me understand. What was it that didn't just didn't jibe?

00;04;23;01 - 00;04;40;23
Jill Lublin
Well, I don't know if you've ever been a class called The Role of Perpetuity, but I still to this day cannot figure out what the heck that professor was talking about. I mean, they're just, you know, contracts and and it's very every language is very specific and, dot the I's and cross. It is great way to be in life.

00;04;40;26 - 00;05;01;14
Jill Lublin
It's important. That's why we have attorneys so that you can dot the I's and cross the T's. It just it's not who I am. I'm a very creative person. I'm more like a butterfly. I slipped between places. It's very law school. So it's not only a very demanding environment for me. It certainly wasn't happy there. And then I thought about the career of being an attorney, which I don't.

00;05;01;15 - 00;05;08;12
Jill Lublin
I didn't see how that could be that much different. So instead of dropping out later, I figured I'd do it faster.

00;05;08;15 - 00;05;35;13
Craig Andrews
And, you know, I'm I'm trying to think I wonder if there's a profession that, that one requires an advanced degree that has more people not practicing that profession. I mean, have you noticed that there's there's people doing all sorts of things with law degrees, which technically is a doctorate. They have law degrees and they're not practicing law.

00;05;35;14 - 00;05;37;00
Craig Andrews
They're nowhere near law.

00;05;37;03 - 00;05;57;12
Jill Lublin
Well, because it's you know, like I said, it's it's very demanding. it requires very specific function. And that is great. But, you know, honestly, I find a lot of people I think that's why they want to go into different things. Now, having a law degree is phenomenal. It's fantastic. It's a it's another, you know, tool in your toolbox.

00;05;57;12 - 00;06;05;14
Jill Lublin
Right. And a feather in your cap and all those wonderful things. if you can get through three years of law school, it's phenomenal. Yeah.

00;06;05;16 - 00;06;12;09
Craig Andrews
Well, when you were talking about dotting the t's and crossing the I's, there's. Are you familiar with what the Oxford comma is?

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Jill Lublin
no.

00;06;13;12 - 00;06;46;17
Craig Andrews
Okay. So Oxford comma, when you see a comma, b comma and C the Oxford comma is that second comma. So some people, especially people who graduate journalism school say a comma B and C, leaving out that second comma. No kidding. There's been a multimillion dollar settlement, a court case based on what the sentence meant without that second comma versus what the that second comma.

00;06;46;20 - 00;07;02;23
Jill Lublin
Now. Correct. Come on. I gotta tell you, don't you think we have better things to do in this world? I mean, I just think there are bigger problems to solve. Okay, I just do. But hey, God bless them. I hope they make a lot of money. Whoever won that case and, you know, this is the kind of stuff I'm talking about.

00;07;02;23 - 00;07;07;08
Jill Lublin
I just think there are bigger things to do in the world. And, you know, we all have our past.

00;07;07;10 - 00;07;15;16
Craig Andrews
Yeah. Yeah. No. And so good for you for identifying that. Moving on. Because that would've been your life arguing over commas and.

00;07;15;21 - 00;07;19;16
Jill Lublin
All right. Can you picture that? No.

00;07;19;19 - 00;07;29;16
Craig Andrews
Yeah. So so you went on, went on from dropping out of law school to breaking both ankles.

00;07;29;18 - 00;07;32;08
Jill Lublin
Yeah, that wasn't simultaneous, but,

00;07;32;11 - 00;07;40;09
Craig Andrews
Okay, well, what happened? So what I all I know is you broke both ankle. Well, we broke both ankles. Was that simultaneous?

00;07;40;11 - 00;08;02;12
Jill Lublin
Yes. That happened both at once. And it was already by this point, I was a, a best selling author. Gorilla publicity was out. I was on a speaking tour in Vancouver, Canada, and then one in a smaller island, off Vancouver called Nanaimo. I actually learned how to say it. And, that's actually where the accident happened.

00;08;02;12 - 00;08;25;08
Jill Lublin
I was getting onto a ferry, to get back over to Vancouver for my next speaking engagement, and, well, I didn't quite make it because I literally, it was one of those dark and stormy night stories, truly. And I literally fell over a rain grate. And, that was it for five months in a wheelchair and breaking both ankles in multiple places.

00;08;25;08 - 00;08;47;00
Jill Lublin
So no walking for me. you know, we had to modify the house. I couldn't get in my kitchen. Okay. That was my favorite part. You know, everybody else had to bring me meals and, you know, help me. I had to have a caregiver. It was intense. And it here's what's really interesting about this, Craig. You know, everybody says, oh, things happen for a reason.

00;08;47;03 - 00;09;09;08
Jill Lublin
And I really reflected on this. Like, why did this happen? You know, I was in, height of the speaking career. My book had just come out. I was having a blast and doing, wonderful. You know, what was really fulfilling work for me? And and then I realized part of this was really about learning how to receive help, learning not to do things alone.

00;09;09;09 - 00;09;18;00
Jill Lublin
You know, like a lot of entrepreneurs and lone Rangers. And so I had to learn real quick. There was, not doing it alone anymore.

00;09;18;02 - 00;09;57;29
Craig Andrews
Yeah. I can imagine. Well, let me ask this now. I'm one here. I definitely want to hear more about that. But, I've been in a wheelchair and, not five months, but for 3 or 4, something like that. I'm curious, from your perspective. Yeah, because we go through life. We go through life, a walking life, just assuming everything's normal and not thinking about what, what it's like once you're in a wheelchair, what's the one thing you would love people to be more aware of, more sympathetic to for folks that are in wheelchairs?

00;09;57;29 - 00;10;00;02
Craig Andrews
What did that teach you? Well.

00;10;00;05 - 00;10;33;24
Jill Lublin
Actually a number of things. Interestingly, not because, remember, I'm in the world of publicity all of a sudden. Here's what I noticed when I was in a wheelchair. People talk to me different. I like why I'm still the same person, but they talked to me different. That and like coming around corners, especially because my injury was in the feet and like people just not paying attention between being on their phones and distracted and, you know, just told they would bump into me, which frankly caused sometimes more trauma or or me being, oh my God, you know, because people just sometimes are not paying attention.

00;10;33;24 - 00;10;55;01
Jill Lublin
Let me just say it that way. and, and I do find, that the perception of me was different. Isn't that interesting? Here I am, this, you know, international speaker. I've been on many stages and and all of a sudden, I notice people treated me differently. Although they were kind, they were great on the whole. On the whole.

00;10;55;04 - 00;11;16;04
Jill Lublin
but, you know, I find people are somewhat oblivious and it's like, hello, wheelchair and back to you. You know, could you maybe move to the right a little bit or, you know, because somebody usually had to push me and, and you know, you're obviously mobility so limited. Much more limited. so I take those. That was my big lesson.

00;11;16;25 - 00;11;21;12
Jill Lublin
Asking for help. That's a big thing. I think that,

00;11;21;14 - 00;11;28;27
Craig Andrews
You know, for me, my the big thing that surprised me was how hard it is to get into bathrooms.

00;11;28;29 - 00;11;30;18
Jill Lublin
Oh, yeah.

00;11;30;20 - 00;11;51;04
Craig Andrews
The. And it's funny when I tell people that they're like, in the door big enough, I'm like, no, the door was big enough. it's the spring. I said, there's a spring on that door whose loan mission is to keep me out. And and I would I mean, I felt like Don Quixote in my wheelchair charging the door.

00;11;51;04 - 00;12;02;07
Craig Andrews
It was me versus the door. Well, my feet weren't, you know, or ankles weren't broke. And I can't imagine what you had to go through that. But for me, that was the hardest thing.

00;12;02;10 - 00;12;22;15
Jill Lublin
I think you should mention doors. Doors were very hard. You're absolutely right. And not only, you know, to the bathroom. But then I tried to get in a hotel room. Oh my gosh, it was a handicap accessible room. The door was so heavy. I'm like, who could who could access this? And then, you know, we got to the bed and like, no way could I get on that bed.

00;12;22;15 - 00;12;31;15
Jill Lublin
It was times, I don't know why it was high in a handicapped accessible room. Just things that I don't know that everybody thinks all the way through.

00;12;31;17 - 00;12;48;10
Craig Andrews
Yeah, well, I think there's a bigger lesson in life there that, you know, for us to really serve others, there's a little bit of empathy that's needed sometimes to have that empathy. We need to go outside of our comfort zone and see the world through their eyes.

00;12;48;15 - 00;13;11;29
Jill Lublin
Yes. Yeah, that's really good. And you know, that force forced the issue a plus. I'm a I'm a nature girl. I love to be outside. And and we had to actually, buy a little book called handicap Accessible Trails and, and then, I discovered all kinds of things about that. so it was, it was a phenomenal experience in the sense of, learning how to ask for help.

00;13;12;01 - 00;13;14;16
Jill Lublin
Really a big lesson.

00;13;14;19 - 00;13;33;02
Craig Andrews
Yeah. So, yeah, let's, let's explore that a little bit more. So and I mean, my general impression is you, you seem very independent. And so I imagine that was a hard time for you. How did how did that shape you and what what was the result of that?

00;13;33;09 - 00;13;58;05
Jill Lublin
Yeah, well, that's what I'm talking about. I mean, I think as entrepreneurs, many of us would say that we're a bit of lone rangers. You know, it takes a certain personality to run a business. It's no easy thing. It's not for the faint of heart. And so, I remember I had an assistant here at home and he had to literally, you know, make me every meal and, and bring notes to me while I was laying, you know, flat out.

00;13;58;05 - 00;14;24;18
Jill Lublin
I mean, I couldn't even, get and move for about, month and a half of that. so the literally having to ask, really, I think that's my biggest thing to surrender, to ask for help. and to now now I put this in my business because guess what? I love to delegate. I love to, you know, love, support into my life.

00;14;24;18 - 00;14;37;13
Jill Lublin
How about that one? I think a lot of people in trouble with that planning support in asking for support. So that was a big that was a big. And that shaped me for sure.

00;14;37;16 - 00;14;44;04
Craig Andrews
so I mean, so how did that translate to work? What how did that change what you were, who you were at work?

00;14;44;06 - 00;15;07;08
Jill Lublin
Well, I have more team now. I definitely have more team. I, you know, I have multiple people handling different things. And by the way, I try to keep them. Where are they? Good. What do they love to do? Right. Some people are natural service and love to help in the home Office. Some people I have a, you know, virtual assistant who's in Florida, and she loves to do all the things that I don't like to do.

00;15;07;08 - 00;15;26;27
Jill Lublin
You know, I have a bookkeeper. I know way what I teach my bookkeeping. So I think that like stay in your like, you know what I'm saying? Like for me, I love doing publicity, helping people with that. And that's my lane. And so I stay there. I do my publicity break to boot camps. I run my publicity crash course.

00;15;26;27 - 00;15;41;27
Jill Lublin
I mean, that's so much. That's who I am. I run my conscious kind of circles. Based on my new book, The Prophet of Kindness. That's fun. You know, that's that's what I'm doing these days. And and I just like to stay in my lane and do what? Do what I do best.

00;15;41;29 - 00;15;48;04
Craig Andrews
Yeah. So and obviously a lot of that is, PR.

00;15;48;06 - 00;15;50;22
Jill Lublin
Yes, that's what I'm saying. Yeah.

00;15;50;24 - 00;15;54;09
Craig Andrews
And so what what sort of companies do you do PR for?

00;15;54;11 - 00;16;24;11
Jill Lublin
Well, I work a lot with entrepreneurs. I work a lot with, bigger companies like Philips. Brought me in, to talk to the directors of marketing for a funny enough guerilla publicity tactics. I mean, today's budget conscious times. Guerilla publicity is a very, terrific tactic that really works for big companies and small companies. And then I serve entrepreneurs so that they can look like the big guys and get publicity that they desire and deserve.

00;16;24;13 - 00;16;27;27
Craig Andrews
But what are some examples of, guerilla publicity?

00;16;27;29 - 00;16;45;11
Jill Lublin
Well, here's one. I have a gentleman come to me and he said, you know, I'm an instructional designer and I want to get my word out and build my business. And I'm like, great. what is an instructional designer? I actually didn't know. And so he told me and and I'm like, no offense, but that's not going to get you publicity.

00;16;45;11 - 00;17;15;07
Jill Lublin
Let's find a better medium message. And so he told me the story, and it was a story that was a great story, a personal story, one of victory and and, actually winning in a tough situation of getting laid off and having no job and, you know, pregnant wife and all these things that he was dealing with. And that was a story that we created that actually got him into the San Francisco Business Times, Entrepreneur Magazine, Mac, Home Journal.

00;17;15;07 - 00;17;32;11
Jill Lublin
I mean, really all kinds of media that got him tremendous visibility and clients and prospects and speaking engagements and elevated industry status, all the things that publicity does. So that was terrific.

00;17;32;14 - 00;17;48;25
Craig Andrews
Yeah. And I'm sorry I missed it. So when I think of gorilla, I'm thinking, okay, how, you know, unusual tactics to accomplish things. And so, what made that unusual?

00;17;48;27 - 00;18;09;03
Jill Lublin
Well, number one, he wasn't talking about what he did. And I think it's a mistake that most people kind of. Well, let me just say, a lot of people miss this very powerful way to actually get publicity, which is using, I like to call it everything you've got. In his case, it was his personal story. It's also the fact that he's Chinese.

00;18;09;03 - 00;18;29;27
Jill Lublin
We got him in the Chinese Times, translated that article into Chinese. He got a $7,000 client from one article in the Chinese Times by doing that. Okay. And that was just one of the results that happened. And I could go on and on. This is this is what I'm talking about. I like to call it again, use everything you've got, your ethnicity or religion.

00;18;29;27 - 00;18;47;11
Jill Lublin
You're now female. You're, anything you can use. What's different, what's unique? My consultant, who has an autistic son and we talk about National Autism Month during the time, you know, that that's a lot more effective.

00;18;47;13 - 00;18;56;08
Craig Andrews
Yeah. Now, I love that it's, you know, in the language I use around the allies. play the hand you were dealt, not the hand that you want.

00;18;56;10 - 00;18;57;08
Jill Lublin
Right.

00;18;57;10 - 00;19;16;01
Craig Andrews
And, you know, for me, the way one of the ways that plays out in my life is, when I was in the hospital two and a half years ago, they goober up my face. And I now have a big scar across my left. Guess when I started wearing a goatee. Yes, you're wearing a good T when I had scar that was worth highlighting.

00;19;16;03 - 00;19;20;21
Jill Lublin
Yes. Love that, I love that I can't see it quite, but I love that.

00;19;20;25 - 00;19;21;10
Craig Andrews
Yeah.

00;19;21;11 - 00;19;23;18
Jill Lublin
It's okay. Got it.

00;19;23;21 - 00;19;47;08
Craig Andrews
Yeah, it's it's like a half inch wide and and goes all the way across left and. Yeah. but that I mean that's interesting. That really resonates. I mean, I obviously didn't, you know, I made no plans to go in the hospital and have a near brush with death. But that's what happened. And it's now a part of my story.

00;19;47;11 - 00;19;48;22
Jill Lublin
Right.

00;19;48;24 - 00;19;52;29
Craig Andrews
Is so is that what you're saying is take things like that and just amplify those?

00;19;53;05 - 00;20;13;07
Jill Lublin
Exactly. I mean, listen, we've all got it right. Some part of our story that either a we want to tell or maybe even don't want to tell and, and because it maybe it's embarrassing or maybe it's the very thing that is makes you who you are. in my family, it's mental illness, you know? so what do we want to talk about?

00;20;13;07 - 00;20;33;22
Jill Lublin
Where do we want to talk about it? But certainly getting more publicity on it is often the very thing that helps others. you know, like, you may be talking about three things you need to look at before you go in the hospital might be important, message that you have, which then drives people. Funny enough, back to your business.

00;20;33;22 - 00;20;47;16
Jill Lublin
And I think that people really need to hear this, that no matter what happens out in the world of publicity, it's always driving people back to your business, your website. People are going to look you up. Yeah, that's what happens.

00;20;47;18 - 00;21;14;00
Craig Andrews
Yeah. No, I, I like that and I think the, you know, one of the things I see when people are applying to the podcast, so many people come and they're, they say, hey, I'm good to talk about this. And I ask all of them, just like I asked you. I said, well, what's something really interesting in your life?

00;21;14;02 - 00;21;36;09
Craig Andrews
And, and I start finding that people have these fascinating things. And the one thing that I say, I, I've had so many people tell me, Craig, my life is boring. I've done nothing interesting. And I keep probing and eventually it comes out. One of the one of the people that told me that, Greg, I don't have anything interesting.

00;21;36;09 - 00;21;41;08
Craig Andrews
It turns out I met Bobby Knight wearing a towel.

00;21;41;10 - 00;22;13;16
Jill Lublin
there's always something, you know. And even though people might not think their life is so interesting, you know, the human experience is fascinating. And I think as we each delve into something about ourselves that has that kind of appeal or heartfelt connection or, even, you know, vulnerable, the vulnerability, the drama, the happiness, whatever it is. the reality is, from a publicity perspective, it's probably we're talking about.

00;22;13;19 - 00;22;38;15
Craig Andrews
Yeah, yeah. So you raised a good point that, you know, right now it's tough. People are cutting budgets, including Bob Iger of Disney is cutting his marketing budget. Everybody's cutting budgets. So what are what are 3 or 4 things that you would recommend people do from a PR standpoint in this economy?

00;22;38;17 - 00;23;07;10
Jill Lublin
Yeah. So first thing is and you know, in order to look like the big guys, the point is get some publicity, period, end of story. That's a so, you know, one couple ways you can get it is, I love an article 500 words and post that on Medium.com. Post it in LinkedIn, post it frankly and everywhere you can, including your social media, your own blogs, and and ask other people to share it.

00;23;07;12 - 00;23;27;00
Jill Lublin
Now, is that publicity that starts happening? Yes. Is that oh, that's an interesting article. Click here because they're going to go to your website or your free gift like we'll give away soon. You know, whatever it is that people are interested in, they will go that direction. And what I want for all of you is just more visibility.

00;23;27;03 - 00;23;48;26
Jill Lublin
So that's a great thing to do first. The other thing is go to Google Alerts and put in your name. And that way if anybody does say anything about you, you're going to know that's important. and number two, put in a phrase like when the prophet of kindness put up, I put one word in called kindness. When gorilla publicity came out, I put in the word publicity.

00;23;49;03 - 00;24;06;13
Jill Lublin
Now, I know when anyone's writing on any of these things, that that's a key. And, that's a great thing to do. You also, you're kind of you're on alert, so to speak, of what people are covering so that you can get in there to that. That works really great.

00;24;06;15 - 00;24;10;12
Craig Andrews
Yeah. Now, you mentioned a free gift. What's what's the free gift?

00;24;10;15 - 00;24;29;11
Jill Lublin
Well, I got a fabulous publicity action guide filled with wonderful tips beyond what we could have time to talk about today. And it's a double bonus gift because I offer you a free publicity masterclass. Live and interactive with me. Answer your questions and give you some more great content.

00;24;29;13 - 00;24;36;22
Craig Andrews
Wow, that sounds that sounds pretty good. I, I can imagine who what who would not benefit from that?

00;24;36;29 - 00;24;41;12
Jill Lublin
Well, thank you. Should do. Are you putting that? Should I say the link?

00;24;41;15 - 00;24;44;03
Craig Andrews
so go ahead and say the link will have it in the show notes.

00;24;44;05 - 00;24;50;07
Jill Lublin
Perfect. It's publicity crash course.com/free gift.

00;24;50;10 - 00;24;54;27
Craig Andrews
Excellent publicity. Crash course.com/free gift.

00;24;54;29 - 00;24;56;01
Jill Lublin
Got it.

00;24;56;03 - 00;24;58;29
Craig Andrews
Well. And how do they reach you?

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Jill Lublin
You know go to Jill loveland.com. There's plenty of contact us there. And we we were very responsive. We love to support you in your publicity journey and seeing next steps that are right for you.

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Craig Andrews
And Lublin is spelled Lou B Lynn.

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Jill Lublin
That's perfect. Yes. Jill Llewellyn. Dot com.

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Craig Andrews
Excellent. Well, general, thanks for coming on leaders and legacy. This has been interesting.

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Jill Lublin
Thank you.

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Craig Andrews
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Craig Andrews
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Craig Andrews
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